Touchy this morning, did you get a good nights sleep.I asked a question no need to be sarcy.Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
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Touchy this morning, did you get a good nights sleep.I asked a question no need to be sarcy.
I'm not sarcy, I've read this entire thread, and it's full of people who have real fears and are genuinely worried about the future. But now we discover that with the aid of some mental gymnastics, it is now possible for a specific subset of the general population to absolve themselves of all responsibility and duty of care to others. Not only is this dangerous, it also sets a very bad precident regarding the rule of law.
We've had no end of criticism about Cheltenham and the Liverpool game and how they exacerbated the situation, but read the BBC, some papers, etc. and no similar comment all. Interestingly, no 'estimated numbers' either, something the media is always keen to pounce on. No criticism from Khan, but that's to be expected..
Interesting clip I think we sadly support and a sport that has demonstrated acts of racism , hate , bigotry, greed, homophobia and misogynistic behaviours.
Of course we do and in the main all those issues have been tolerated.
Let’s get the thread back on it’s subject
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...new-covid-wave
I watched the interview referred to in this piece earlier and it was good to hear someone speaking in honest, clear, easily understandable, terms on subjects the public want to be told about - I learned a hundred times more from him than I do when having to listen to the vague platitudes trotted out at Government briefings;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...scientist-says
You can find a scientist to to argue the case for pretty much every different aspect of the Coronavirus outbreak. The Guardian has naturally sought out comments to support their views, and the Telegraph, Mail, have also had editorials and articles with many scientists espousing different views - including the so-called 'R' number [which includes care homes and hospitals], and the general efficacy of the whole lockdown process. You pays yer money ...
Coronavirus: US-China virus row flares with senator's comments https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52954697
How on earth could one country possibly block another from producing a vaccine? How would that be possible?
Something like Stuxnet perhaps.
I suppose the question would be "why" rather than "how"?
By holding back information about specifics of the virus and its origins
There has been an increasing amount of press suggesting that the virus was manipulated in the biological laboratory in Wuhan, to make it easier to to replicate in a host..ie a chimena. Whether that's true and whether it was released intentionally or by accident who knows. Lets for the moment assume it came from the lab and not a wet market.
One thing that is increasingly evident is that two countries in particular, USA & UK, both with very advanced healthcare technology and with very similar lifestyles and diet, have suffered the worst death rates in the world. Generally, the further east you go the better the outcomes, through countries with a Mediterranean lifestyle, and lowest death rates in those with an Asian lifestyle.
If the virus was manipulated intracellularly there must have been an objective, and maybe that objective was to make it particularly virulent to those with a Western lifestyle and diet, particularly USA citizens for political reasons.
Im not sure whether such specific targeting is scientifically possible but it makes for an interesting hypothesis.
Good workI was trying to be scarcastic to him
I know it's the weekend and the figures are always lower, but it's good to see no deaths in Scotland and Northern Ireland today and only 77 in the UK. That said, the first time there were 100 or more deaths in a day was on 23 March and if you had told people then that the next time it would drop below 100 in a day would be on June 7, they would have been absolutely horrified.
More weekend figures, but no deaths in Scotland for a second successive day and only eighteen new cases.
At the moment, the question was the virus man made boils down to agenda driven alt right speculation v qualified people who know what they're talking about - I wonder who I should trust?
https://www.newscientist.com/term/coronavirus-come-lab/
https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/...-not-man-made/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...1.2020.1733440
Comment in today’s Telegraph that of all the wet markets in the world the virus happened to start from one that had a biological laboratory on its doorstep
This story has been going round since about January. You're at least four months behind Organ Morgan!
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/23/212264...onavirus-china
"Since there’s no robust evidence in support of the lab-leak theory, Daszak says he’s worried that it could become a conspiratorial distraction with serious consequences.
“There is a group of people who do not want to believe that this is a natural, unfortunate incident,” he said. “And the real bad part of that is that if we don’t believe that we won’t try and stop other viruses in wildlife. Instead, we will focus on labs and close them down when they’re the ones trying to develop vaccines to cure us right now. I mean, how ironic could we go?”"
The word zeitgeist - no doubt you're aware of the meaning - springs to mind.
Hence why I said at the moment.
You stick with your "feelings" and I'll stick to what mine, backed up by expert knowledge (which I don't see on the other side of the argument), are telling me.
We built 5 hospitals for 5000 + which only handled a couple of hundred which expert knowledge said we would need. They talk about a second wave but there's no scientific evidence there will be one, etc, etc. But you're right to a degree, it is to a degree, political. S.A.G.E. is a collection of left-leaning figures who have at every opportunity tried to hold back the Country returning to normal, save lives of Cancer patients etc, peoples' well-being, the jobs of the working class, - actions of those who believe 100% in the State, and the other side the pragmatists and realists who are at heart libertarians.
Didn't you get a lot of replies about the scientific basis for a second wave in response to your last post that there's no scientific basis for a second wave?
Although I count getting those 5 hospitals built as a rare Government success story in their response to the virus, I do wonder about the contradiction which, on the one hand, has the Chief Scientific adviser saying that 20,000 deaths would be a good outcome and on the other having twice as many (according to official figures that, by almost universal agreement, represent perhaps are as little as 66% of the real figure) die and yet the existing intensive care capacity was able to cope when the numbers being admitted to hospital, and dying, were at their highest.
I'm not sure there is much evidence to back up your contention that SAGE is "a collection of left leaning figures" - I note there is an alternative SAGE committee which strikes me as fitting that description though.
In any case, the three links I posted were from a British magazine, an Asian magazine and an American university - as far as I'm aware, they were all written by people with no connection to SAGE.
Cui bono?
I'd also add agenda driven far left Antifa supporting anti-Trump liberals to your list just for completeness
What list?Cui bono?
I'd also add agenda driven far left Antifa supporting anti-Trump liberals to your list just for completeness
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