I'm not Letting splott dai anywhere near my kidsOriginally Posted by goats
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I'm not Letting splott dai anywhere near my kids
I’m not his greatest fan by any stretch, but he was alluding to the fact if we stay on this trajectory then July 6 will be ok, which is what all the data suggests. He spoke quite well today, having to answer the five mile thing about five times it would seem. Well, I’m off to work in Pembrokeshire Tuesday so I’m ok....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53105642
**** me, fair play for providing even more incompetence and laughs.
Mind boggling isn't it - all along they've been placing trying to look good above the truth and the ironic thing is that they've just been digging a deeper hole for themselves all the time.
For the amount of occasions it has happened I’ve just assumed it’s a Cummings led strategy given to Boris who makes the perfect foil to deliver to the nation.
‘Lie & laugh’ strategy.
Its the civil service that have to get things like the track and trace done, and since Priti Patel and Dominic Cummings have declared war on them, what with Mark Sedwell resigning and Phillip Rutham sacked, I wonder if there is some sabotage going on?
Let’s get this right.
You’re suggesting the civil service are purposely sabotaging the governments efforts to aid the recovery of a country in the midst of a pandemic and thus risking more lives?
****inell.
Or maybe they're just incompetent!Let’s get this right.
You’re suggesting the civil service are purposely sabotaging the governments efforts to aid the recovery of a country in the midst of a pandemic and thus risking more lives?
****inell.
Philip Rutman wasn't sacked - he resigned.
Mark Sedwill resigning? Where is that from?
My mistake... I thought Rutman was sacked, but I believe he is having a go at the government because he says he was forced to resign.
Sedwill it seems has lost the support of the civil service after going native.
The message I was trying to get across was that there is not a lot of love lost between the civil service and the current Westminster government
It just makes me think the reason for lowering the alert level yesterday was probably to try to deflect attention away. I just don’t give them benefit of the doubt for anything anymore.
I think you're wrong on that. The alert level change was decided solely by the 4 National Chief medical advisors / officers jointly. No political interference. Mark Drakeford specifically mentioned this in his briefing yesterday
I'm sure others will disagree, but I'd say you speak for many, perhaps a majority, in the country there - they lost the right to the benefit of the doubt with the handling of the Dominic Cummings saga in my view.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-covid-19-peak
Also, on the subject of the R rate in Wales, I saw a chart on the BBC website yesterday which suggested that the rate had gone up in Wales in that it was now ranging between 0.6 and 1 I believe it was. I know there was a link to something suggesting that the R rate had gone down again posted on here yesterday, but they were unofficial figures I believe, has there been any sort of official announcement as to the R rate currently?
Serco are trying to sabotage the government?
Yeh, I’ve just read JBC recommended it and Chief Medical Advisors approved.
Sorry, Joint Bisosecurity Centre.
Meanwhile nearer to home Cardiff Council are displaying their lack of competence and lack of care again.
When they closed the Market in town the stall holders complained, pointing out it is basically a food market and exempt from closure but the council closed it anyway. But they promised the stall holders that while it was shut down they would be exempt their rental for the stalls and business rates.
The Market traders asked them to deep clean the place and make sure it as clear of any contamination during the lock down period but they said the couldn't put cleaners in there because it is an enclosed space.
The market traders want to open on Monday but the Council say the market cannot open for at least a week. Apparently the council has retained a firm of architects to survey the floor area and mark out where the 2 metre distancing marks must go and the procedure will take at least a week. Of course the place still has to be cleaned yet too.
And now they have issued letters to the traders saying that the council has changed it's mind and now the rents and business rates not paid will be added on to the traders accounts as arrears when the market opens as they have withdrawn their pledge to waive these charges.
The words piss-up and brewery spring to mind.
A big rise in the R rate in Germany in the last few days - as reported in the Guardian's rolling coverage today;-
"In Germany, “R”, the reproduction number, rose to 2.88 on Sunday, according to the daily estimate published by the country’s public health agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). Its Sunday daily bulletin (English language version) is here (pdf).
On Saturday, the RKI had R at 1.79, and on Friday it was at 1.06.
According to Bloomberg, the increase has been driven by local outbreaks “including in the region of North Rhine-Westphalia, where more than 1,300 people working at a slaughterhouse”.
R is one measure of of the rate at which coronavirus is spreading. Any number above 1 means that every one person infected will pass it on to more than one other person. An R number of 2.88 implies each German case is producing another 2.88 others.
Ministers say it is essential to keep R below 1.
However, R is not the only way of measuring the seriousness of an epidemic and, if the overall incidence of infection is low, an R number above 1 is much less worrying than if the disease is much more widespread. At the end of last week, the UK government started publishing growth rate estimates for coronavirus, nationally and by region, as well as R numbers. Unlike R, the growth rate figure indicates the speed at which a virus is spreading or diminishing, not just the overall direction."
Another meat packing place.....
The natural R rate of the virus is somewhere north of 3.0. The natural speed of my car is 0 mph. If I take my foot off the gas, I will gradually end up travelling at 0mph. As lockdowns are eased, and as people start behaving "normally", the R rate will tend to its natural rate of 3.0. I am surprised it got to 2.88 so quickly, particularly from a starting point of very few infections.
As the Government seem to be losing patience and aiming to remove restriction after restriction without first waiting to see the impact on the R rate, it will be difficult to know which effects that were put in place have the biggest impact on dampening the R rate.
I once worked on a computer system where 3 major changes went live in one weekend. Guess what, on Monday the system crashed. And, guess what, we spent 1 week arguing over which change caused the effects that we saw.
If the UK has a rise in the R rate, it will be difficult to pinpoint which relaxation measure had the worst impact.
As it stands, I think that we will see outbreaks throughout the country which will necessitate local lockdowns. I am also fairly sure that we will open our borders too quickly and, as a result, a second wave nationally is well within the realms of possibility. But, hey, we got to get people borrowing beyond their means so they can have 2 weeks in Majorca straight after they have spent 4 months on furlough.
It's the weekend and all that, but only fifteen deaths in the U.K. on Sunday with none in Scotland and one in Wales.
Less good is the news that over a thousand patients in Wales were moved from hospital into care homes without being tested - more than 600 care home residents (28 % of Welsh deaths have occured in care homes).
What's your verdict TOBW is it coming back ?, never gone away ?, second wave ?, what do you think is happening out there ?, I only ask because you put out some interesting facts and I would be interested in your opinion as I'm very much a bottom line type of guy.
I think there are a few on here who are better equipped to answer your questions. For what it's worth, I'm quite optimistic now as far as the Uk goes because the slow decline in new cases and deaths is continuing despite more testing and the easing of the lockdown. However, the situation requires a fine balancing act because all of the signs are that countries like the USA and Brazil are suffering because they have, more or less, been trying to act as if things are getting better when they clearly aren't.
South Korea, who have been held up as a shining example of how to deal with the virus are now admitting they are in a second wave, but are hoping they can limit it to localised outbreaks and I think that is the best we can hope for, but we have to learn quickly from what we've got wrong up to now and hope that we have got the required infrastructure in place in the autumn.
South Korea are acting quickly to snuff out the local outbreaks. In Wales we have three significant local outbreaks and what have we done about increasing lockdown in the areas involved.....Nothing
The latest report from the Technical Advice Cell is that the R in Wales is averaging at 0.9,
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