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Bobs a lefty so he will always have a pop, which is fine of course. They’ve done a pretty shocking job but any party would have.Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I’m sure bob would post about no deaths in Wales in September, very few in August and the fact the Heath has no Covid patients....
only if it was in the latest issue of The Guardian - which I very much doubt..Bobs a lefty so he will always have a pop, which is fine of course. They’ve done a pretty shocking job but any party would have.
I’m sure bob would post about no deaths in Wales in September, very few in August and the fact the Heath has no Covid patients....
Now if I were looking to score party political points (heaven forbid!), I could say that all of those good news stories relate to NHS Wales which, as the UK Government never cease to tell is when something goes wrong with it, is run by the Welsh Government. On the other hand, I believe that the running and administration of testing centres and the test and trace system in England and Wales is the responsibility of the UK Government - xsnaggle went off on one as if I was being critical of those who work in test centres, I wouldn't do that - it looks to me as if the administration of them is the problem.Bobs a lefty so he will always have a pop, which is fine of course. They’ve done a pretty shocking job but any party would have.
I’m sure bob would post about no deaths in Wales in September, very few in August and the fact the Heath has no Covid patients....
Genuine question... where are all of these staff coming from for the new test centers (and the staff required to actually run these tests at the lab)?
Eastern Europe. Oh, hang on...
How reliable are these PCR tests?
Lots of the staff are students which are about to return to their Universities and Colleges.
Allah help us!
I get that, but there are good stories and little bits of hope out there which you seem to studiously refrain from ever posting.
I can't see any reason why any party would have to had performed as badly as this current shower of shit. Just take a look at how the Scottish and our own administration's have performed so much better than Johnson and his little team of dopes, and that's without possessing plenary powers and attempting to break international law.Bobs a lefty so he will always have a pop, which is fine of course. They’ve done a pretty shocking job but any party would have.
I’m sure bob would post about no deaths in Wales in September, very few in August and the fact the Heath has no Covid patients....
I think you are incorrect. Both the Scottish and Welsh Administrations rely almost exclusively on the "little team of dopes" to provide scientific and medical advice. All that has happened is that the Scots and Welsh have put their own spin on the information which, in the case of Scotland in particular, is politically driven and is as much about conveying an image of independence as much as anything else. However, I agree the test and trace arrangements are farcical. I live in Devon; people are being told to go 20 miles for a test but then discover Swansea is 20 miles by sea but a 300 miles round trip by road. It's a joke.
This is interesting from a legal standpoint..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ibHtut9zA
110 new cases in Wales today - quite a big reduction
Ffs I just filled my vw van with bog roll and long life milk......
Could just be due to not enough tests being available
possibly because they've done twice as many tests in RCT as any other part of wales
New cases in Caerphilly and Merthyr seem to have dropped a lot - now RCT has the most new
More than 600 people in Swansea and Neath Port Talbot took a test and none of them had the virus.
Crikey, I wonder how many they did in Cardiff to get 14 positives?
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No I'm not incorrect. Both the Welsh and the Scottish Government have the same access to Sage advice as PHE. Yes, part of their reaction might be politically driven but, let's be fair it's not too difficult to be more effective than the team of little dopes anyway, which incidentally is probably the least pragmatic administration anyone can ever remember.
There's no coincidence that the UK, US and Brazil have hugely disproportionate covid death figures per capita; all are governed by right wing zealots completely out of their death. The very fact other countries such as Germany et al have much lower death results indicates it's a gross fallacy to say no other administration could have performed better than the merry band of little dopes.
The Welsh and Scots do have the SAGE information and both governments have broadly followed the lines taken in England with tweaks around the edges all locking down at broadly the same time, the quarantine arrangements are not dissimilar and this second semi lockdown is not that dissimilar either in all 3 countries. The Welsh and Scots are consulted by the Whitehall civil servants and at government level prior to decisions being made so how come they are not doing things that differently? I disagree that the WElsh and Scots are doing better. Let's face it all are doing badly especially with regard to test and trace as I mentioned earlier. Let's leave it there as we can argue about this all afternoon and I have better things to do.
Testing is (mis)managed by central government though
I had to come back to correct you. The Roles of the bodies in Wales is set out in a government paper which states:
Roles and Responsibilities
Individuals – following public health advice, hand washing, social distancing, reporting symptoms and self-isolating when necessary.
Welsh Government – provide strategic direction, oversight, determine priorities and provide resources to enable test, trace, protect.
Public Health Wales (PHW) – our expert National Public Health body providing leadership and specialist advice on public health approaches. Responsible for coordinating contact tracing, advising on sampling and testing, laboratory analysis of tests, health surveillance and providing expert health protection advice and analysis of the spread of the virus in our communities through a range of health surveillance indicators.
Local health boards and local authorities – providing a wealth of contact tracing experience and working in collaboration to deliver regionally coordinated local contact tracing teams – a mix of clinical and non-clinical staff who can support those who are symptomatic or have tested positive and their close contacts to stay safe. This will sit alongside their existing role to provide testing facilities and environmental and public health responses to local outbreaks and clusters or preventative action in areas regarded as high risk.
So, are you saying the UK Government has no say in testing and tracing in Wales, because there is no mention of them in what you have listed. If so, how does that tie in with the story on the weekend about the testing centre in Porth (I can't remember if it had the capacity to do three or five hundred tests a day) being told by central Government to do just sixty, which was then raised to a hundred and twenty after representations by the Welsh Government?
That is the sort of administration I mean, the sort that was at the heart of the opening story on last night's Newsnight where the point was made that while the Government deserves credit for the big increase in testing numbers compared to the spring, they are, clearly, not getting the best out of the system at present.
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