Wasn't the first lockdown initially supposed to be for 3 weeks?Originally Posted by Vindec
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Wasn't the first lockdown initially supposed to be for 3 weeks?
Still not telling oldies to shield yet either, but talking of circuit breakers.....the clarity is just amazing.
They don't count then?
Obviously they do but for some reason there is always a lag on a sun and monday and then a catch up on tues/wed. It has been so since they began reporting. I've know idea why?
Previous post about Israel made the point that almost impossible to stop virus spreading to vulnerable people so we're at a place where the more people who have the virus the more people who need to go into hospital and the more people who cannot get the treatment they need.https://twitter.com/drphiliplee1/sta...17344932597760
People talk about COVID and delayed cancer care like we're just shutting down because we're too busy for cancer. That's not the case.
The more COVID there is out there the more stretched anaesthetic and ICU teams will be.
During the peaks of March/April we pulled huge numbers of anaesthetists, ODP, theatre staff, to man critical care areas.
Unless you want your colon removed with only a stick to bite on then we need to suppress COVID hard for any elective care to happen.
Additionally chemotherapy, monoclonal antibodies, and immunosuppressive drugs we use in cancer are made more dangerous by COVID. Those with a weakened immune system could die swiftly with an infection.
Suppressing the virus helps everyone needing care.
Hospitals should be open for people with health complaints, and stressing this point as they are doing, rather that filling up because relatively low risk people think vulnerable people should look after themselves.
It's because deaths are not normally registered on the weekends and you have up to 5 days for registration to take place so the numbers always lag the actual days recorded in the statistics. Some deaths on weekends are recorded but mostly they are not. Thus recorded deaths often relate to a high proportion of people who died days earlier meaning the numbers on the weekends are always lower and that all death statistics should be taken as a guideline only to assess trends.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-54535481
An apologist explains that it "only" involved about 300 people; those same 300 can potentially infect 450 others (R = 1.5) who in turn could infect nearly 700 etc etc....Being scousers of course, someone else will be to blame.
Perhaps the UK government should have implemented the circuit breaker as advised, by SAGE, a few weeks ago?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-second-wave
Following the science.
Exactly! I hardly think it's Starmer who needs to wake up when we've Noddy in Slumberland in Downing Street. Lions led by donkeys springs to mind.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...covid-12103141
Coronavirus excess fatalities: How pandemic is impacting the lives and deaths of those who don't have COVID
Thread: Throughout the pandemic there's been plenty of attention focused on #COVID19 deaths and on what’s happened in hospitals and in care homes - for obvious and understandable reasons. But for months there’s been another phenomenon which I find deeply unsettling.
— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) October 13, 2020
NEW: WHO Europe Director, Hans Kluge tells me, no government should enforce another national lockdown unless it is absolutely necessary, a last resort
— Darren McCaffrey (@DarrenEuronews) October 13, 2020
He says damage to other health areas, mental health, domestic violence, schools and cancer treatment is too great pic.twitter.com/jzbh9YbH7z
Steve Reicher has nailed it again.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ve-sage-advice
'In the end the problem is what it has always been. We have a government entirely without a strategy to deal with this pandemic. We have a cabinet entirely without a vision or a strength of purpose, reacting in panic to events as they arise rather than devising the means to get on top of them. And we have a prime minister who craves approval and wants to please everyone, who lacks the strength to face down his backbenchers and ends up with half-measures that help nobody. At a time when we need it most, the country has been saddled with a woeful lack of leadership'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54527400
Circuit breaker lockdowns are "doomed to failure" and would bring "cost without benefit", according to an expert in communicable diseases.
not a dig at you but I could probably find a bunch of other experts who say the complete opposite. It's one of the things that make this situation so difficult isn't it
I'm not sure that you would be able to find an expert who says circuit breaker lockdowns are "guaranteed to succeed" and would bring "benefit without cost"!
Well no but I'm sure there are experts who say that the only way to stem the spread is through a circuit breaker
there are experts that say we would save 7000 lives by implementing a circuit breaker.
Nine hundred and forty plus cases in Wales with Cardiff having over 200 of them, 160 odd in RCT.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/p...eadlinesummary
10 deaths as well.
Worryingly a big increase in both figures
Got a phone call yesterday from the village in Merthyr saying there’s a couple of the older boys in intensive care not looking good, and one of my favourite characters ( a Psycholoon) died from Covid yesterday. all of a sudden it’s become a lot more real for me.
How did they get it, your older boy mates?
As far as I know they were all using the same pub in the village.
Thanks for the support but shouldn't that have been answering the first sarcastic comment form Jordi Cule?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54540763
"The number of Covid-related patients in Wales' hospitals has risen by 49% in a week.
Welsh NHS boss Andrew Goodall said more than 700 people were being looked after - the highest number since late June.
The chief executive said demand for beds would continue to increase in the days and weeks ahead.
I anticipate this winter will be more challenging than any I have known in my professional career," Mr Goodall told a Welsh Government press conference."
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