to be fair you could start an argument in an empty lift thoughOriginally Posted by xsnaggle
I'd like to agree with you but I can't be bothered. I'm all 'dire warnings' fatigued.
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to be fair you could start an argument in an empty lift thoughI'd like to agree with you but I can't be bothered. I'm all 'dire warnings' fatigued.
Now come on, you know how I'm going to reply to that don't you?
Death rates are key here I think Bob. Back in the spring it went from 100 a day to over 1000 a day quite quick, over a 2/3 week period looking at that graph. Cases were always going to go up tenfold now due to the mass testing we are now doing. Next few weeks are critical as this will dictate the whole winter restrictions I think. Death rates keep going up we can forget about lockdowns being lifted. Mainland Europe seems to be in free fall at the moment aswell.
What still amazes me is the general publics attitude — it’s the same people out there who still don’t believe it’s real. I’ll admit I had a good end of summer, didn’t take the piss but went out quite a bit with small groups with the mrs and friends and was nice, thought we were through it and on the road to recovery but clearly it’s now back and I’m prepared to sacrifice as best we can. Haven’t been out since mid September. Chatting to some friends last night however, one said see you in the spring after hibernation, general acceptance of winter restrictions and on my sort of level and the other actually said fancy the pub this evening getting on it before they close!! That’s where in the uk nothing has been learnt as the same folk charging about without a care are still behaving exactly the same way. Mental.
Deaths are linked to the hospital outbreaks aren’t they? If they can just make sure that doesn’t happen I can’t see the numbers going up like before. Vaccine can’t come quick enough......
I don't think death rates are so important now. There's a better understanding of how to deal with the worst cases so I don't think it will be as bad as earlier this year.
However, it is still very infectious and it doesn't have to kill to be a major concern. Long covid worries me more than the death rate.
Most of the positive cases in cardiff are the students In halls which I guess is to be expected.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...dents-19143080
The biggest questions that governments in every part of the UK have to answer are these: the lockdown was justified partly as a means to buy time to put the systems (tracktrace/effective small local lockdowns/mass testing etc) in place which would mean we might not need to...
... return to onerous blanket restrictions either nationally or across large swathes of the country. Given such restrictions are returning- what happened to those systems? What effect have they had? Were these the wrong strategies in the first place? And now do we need new ones?
Because though obviously the acute problem of the rising cases is worrying, perhaps the bigger worry is the strategic one: the fact we’re at all and there’s not much sense yet from any politician of how we prevent it again, while we wait for a vaccine, which may never come.
So in short: is it the same strategies but better executed? Or something different?
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...39528249171968How can the strategies the UK has invested in be doing so badly? Can't fully blame Serco as they're only a part of it, for same reason probably can't fully blame Dido Harding though certainly hasn't demonstrated any expertise yet. Don't even start on isolating vulnerable because there are so many problems with that it's a last resort after exhausting everything else rather than go-to as some are suggesting.NEW: Once again Test and Trace in England has its worst week yet. Just 59.6% of close contacts of people infected were reached in the week to 14th October. Down from 63% from the previous week.
Experts say that the hit rate needs to be at least 80% to be effective.
In addition, only 15.1% of people who undertook an on site in person test received their result in 24 hours.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...27391336730624
Who is running Test and Trace: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b68d1b09c77477
Of course outside companies are running it. The NHS hasn't got the expertise or resources to do it. Do you think it builds its own hospitals, or makes all the medicines used? Of course not. Same with Test and Trace
Are you trying to say that there were no other options such as building on the existing local government infrastructure that was already in place rather than consciously building a centralised privately led privately run system that Boris Johnson today, after Ł12b of public money has been spent said "was helping a bit".
The BMJ certainly seemed to think so when they looked at how Germany had taken the former path rather than the latter. They called it lessons learned but I guess we will need to wait for the public enquiry to see if this has any grounding in fact.
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2522
At the same time local public health services were mobilised and revitalised. In April both federal and state governments agreed to provide additional investment to strengthen local public health authorities.8 Civil servants were redeployed to public health from elsewhere and extra staff employed to support local contact tracing. Germany built on existing infrastructure and experience from the outset, unlike England, where local public health departments were overlooked in favour of a centralised system run by outsourced companies.
Later, as population restrictions were being lifted, chancellor Angela Merkel and the prime ministers of the federal states agreed that local authorities should have five contact tracers for every 20 000 citizens.9 Inexperience of new staff members was overcome by embedding them in experienced organisational structures, helping to limit the difficulties reported in England.10
The Government more or less admitted defeat today didn't it? They were proclaiming that an R rate of 1.5 was a good effort. Essentially, it means that the virus is spreading exponentially.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194
Supermarkets will be unable to sell items like clothes during the 17-day Covid firebreak lockdown in Wales.
Does anyone think this is a good idea?
Yes.
Seriously? The supermarkets will be open anyway. What is the point of preventing them from selling "non-essential" items?
If you are going to do it, do it properly.
Last time there were plenty of middle-aged women checking out the clothes in M&S. It's a lockdown not a chance to pick up some sensible shoes.
People touch clothes and spend longer browsing them. You don't touch the different brands of cornflakes to decide which you like best.
There's probably an element of fairness to the smaller shops as well. Why should a struggling small business selling clothes have to close but a big supermarket can carry on doing so?
Yes. The more people are out and in contact with others, the more the virus will spread.
I think it would be a good idea if people were limited to 1 hour in there, not sure how that could be done.
I also think a 17 day lockdown is too little, too late.
Yes.
Yes it will stop people going to supermarkets to browse stuff they don’t really need, and if you do, you can buy it online anyway.
Absolutely agree, let's do it properly.
It's only for 17 days, surely people have enough clothes to last them through? It's not as though they'll be going anywhere; they'd be better off buying a few good books
Maddness . What about small business that survive with diversity of products some essential some not , I do fear for our economic future .
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