Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Hilts]

Aren't you still discriminating against specialist high street shops if online shops can continue to sell the same goods?

There is nothing to stop high street shops trading online is there.?

[surge]

To quote myself from another thread...

To be fair, think those who are still buying a TV in a shop are unlikely to move to doing it online now if they haven't already made that move on the US version of Black Friday last year/the year before/the year before etc. If this making the public realise that shops need support then hopefully that feeling lasts 17 days and continues into next year because I've also seen comments from bookshop owners about people asking them to research what a book is before being told thanks but the potential customer will now find it online.

What is essential? What isn't? It's a minefield that could have been avoided without these depressing images, though with a 17 day fire-break as opposed to a 4 week one (NI) we do need tighter restrictions (self-imposed or otherwise) and people to play ball for it to work.

It's under review now so we'll hear next week what happens.

Further points:

i) though this is the most signed petition on the Senedd page not everyone signing will be living in Wales. Davina McCall, one example, is one of the signatures and pretty sure she doesn't live here.

ii) If you feel angry on behalf of local shops, want to support smaller business but ultimately are going to shop online please consider using alternatives to Amazon:

Hive – Hive is a brilliant concept, enabling you to buy books, ebooks, DVD & blu-ray, music, stationery and gifts online in much the same way as on Amazon, but with the twist that every time you make a purchase you are supporting your local independent shop. Free UK Delivery on all orders: https://www.hive.co.uk/?wgu=10671_16...ampaign=164105

Traidcraft – A huge array of Fairtrade products encompassing; groceries, houseware goods, stationery, toys, gifts, christmas decorations, clothing and jewellery: https://www.traidcraftshop.co.uk/

OnBuy.com – For consumers who want everything in one place in the way Amazon offers it: https://www.onbuy.com/gb/?exta=ethrev

[Rjk]

thanks for that hive link, I'll check that out

[BLUETIT]

thanks for that hive link, I'll check that out

Ok honey, bee quick

[the other bob wilson]

thanks for that hive link, I'll check that out

Same here.

[Heisenberg]

So why don't you want to remove the unfair advantage from all the competition?

What if, say, 75% of the high street retailers have changed their business model to include online sales... Would you want them to suffer twice?

The whole point of not allowing the sale of non-essential items in shops is to reduce risk. They were never going to please everyone with this policy but stopping online sales too doesn't make any sense to me as the risk is minimal at most.

[LeningradCowboy]

What if, say, 75% of the high street retailers have changed their business model to include online sales... Would you want them to suffer twice?

The whole point of not allowing the sale of non-essential items in shops is to reduce risk. They were never going to please everyone with this policy but stopping online sales too doesn't make any sense to me as the risk is minimal at most.

I don't want them to suffer at all and I don't want to restrict online sales. I'm just wondering why some people support imposing these restrictions on supermarkets to mitigate the situation for small shops, but don't want to impose them on other retailers.

I'd also like to know how much the risk is reduced by preventing supermarkets, which are already open, from selling their full range of goods.

[Heisenberg]

I don't want them to suffer at all and I don't want to restrict online sales. I'm just wondering why some people support imposing these restrictions on supermarkets to mitigate the situation for small shops, but don't want to impose them on other retailers.

I'd also like to know how much the risk is reduced by preventing supermarkets, which are already open, from selling their full range of goods.

I know you don't want them to suffer at all, that's why I don't see the logic of talking about stopping online retail too.

You're right, I think it would be very beneficial for quantifiable evidence of how much risk would be reduced by not allowing non-essential items to be sold in supermarkets, but it does make sense that people who would only be going to the stores to buy non-essential items won't be going there now. That would obviously reduce the chance of people coming into contact with the virus as the less people there are in an enclosed environment, the better.

[BLUETIT]

I know you don't want them to suffer at all, that's why I don't see the logic of talking about stopping online retail too.

You're right, I think it would be very beneficial for quantifiable evidence of how much risk would be reduced by not allowing non-essential items to be sold in supermarkets, but it does make sense that people who would only be going to the stores to buy non-essential items won't be going there now. That would obviously reduce the chance of people coming into contact with the virus as the less people there are in an enclosed environment, the better.

What about the "Ozone lot", moaning about all these deliveries ??

[delmbox]

What about the "Ozone lot", moaning about all these deliveries ??

who's the ozone lot? never heard that term before

[LeningradCowboy]

I know you don't want them to suffer at all, that's why I don't see the logic of talking about stopping online retail too.

You're right, I think it would be very beneficial for quantifiable evidence of how much risk would be reduced by not allowing non-essential items to be sold in supermarkets, but it does make sense that people who would only be going to the stores to buy non-essential items won't be going there now. That would obviously reduce the chance of people coming into contact with the virus as the less people there are in an enclosed environment, the better.

It seems to me that the restrictions have pissed off a lot of people for minimal gain, unless supermarkets are thought to be hotbeds of infection.

[Heisenberg]

What about the "Ozone lot", moaning about all these deliveries ??

Are they? That's news to me, Tone.

I would have thought it would actually reduce carbon emissions by having a finite number of people doing deliveries to numerous addresses rather than everyone using their own vehicles and public transport to travel to and from the shops.

[BLUETIT]

Are they? That's news to me, Tone.

I would have thought it would actually reduce carbon emissions by having a finite number of people doing deliveries to numerous addresses rather than everyone using their own vehicles and public transport to travel to and from the shops.

My cars travelled 36 miles since March

Can someone go and bring it back to me please

[Hilts]

its bloody crazy to be honest, but it made me laugh as i addressed it to " My Mum whose kettle might break , Barry "
so it gave me a bit of a laugh and will keep my mum from fretting over it

If I was her id be ringing you today saying Matt im worried my TV will break.

A new 65 inch will do as a spare.

[Heisenberg]

My cars travelled 36 miles since March

Can someone go and bring it back to me please

Congratulations... I think

[Heisenberg]

It seems to me that the restrictions have pissed off a lot of people for minimal gain, unless supermarkets are thought to be hotbeds of infection.

That's fair enough. I get the point of what they're trying to achieve, as well as a lot of others seem to do. But there are equally a lot of people who don't understand it (and a lot who will choose not to), so it will just come to an impasse in debate because those on either side of the argument will not be able to concede on it.

[goats]

God knows why “they” feel the need to state this now.....

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ikely-19162353

I know it’s Wales online and we have better journo’s (and scientists ) on here, but is there any reason to state this just as we start another one? I guess January is a good time for it as most folks dont do much and no one really goes out bar students......

Besides, the vaccine will be out by then anyway.....

[Vindec]

God knows why “they” feel the need to state this now.....

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ikely-19162353

I know it’s Wales online and we have better journo’s (and scientists ) on here, but is there any reason to state this just as we start another one? I guess January is a good time for it as most folks dont do much and no one really goes out bar students......

Besides, the vaccine will be out by then anyway.....

Although the vaccine is planned to be available for frontline NHS staff in December it will take many months before the population as a whole will be inoculated. And of course there will be many refusniks. The real spike will occur when students return home for Christmas.

[goats]

Although the vaccine is planned to be available for frontline NHS staff in December it will take many months before the population as a whole will be inoculated. And of course there will be many refusniks. The real spike will occur when students return home for Christmas.

Don’t fear operation moonbeam or whatever it’s called will be in full swing by then, bo bo said a few weeeks ago. 10 million tests a day, plenty for the students to have a go, wait 20 mins, then pop off home to mummy and daddy’s all clear. Hoorah for the Tories.....

[Dorcus]

Round and round in circles because you want to score party political points - I said that I could understand the logic whereby they didn't want to see smaller, independent traders discriminated against like they were first time around because supermarkets had an unfair advantage over them. Nothing you're saying is making me think I was wrong in thinking that (quite the opposite in fact).

Therefore, there's no point in continuing this discussion.

There's people who will grizzle over anything Bob! I think you're absolutely right with your logic about why the Senedd has implemented this rule.

In these trying times nothing is perfect but the Welsh Government is trying to be fair to smaller retailers while minimising the risk of contagion. This firebreak is only for 17 days, I can't think of anything people can't do without in that time, while simultaneously showing solidarity with smaller traders. People can buy food, booze and bog rolls, what more do they want?

[Dorcus]

[QUOTE=Dorcus;5129555]There's people who will grizzle over anything Bob! I think you're absolutely right with your logic about why the Senedd has implemented this rule.

In these trying times nothing is perfect but the Welsh Government is trying to be fair to smaller retailers while minimising the risk of contagion. This firebreak is only for 17 days, I can't think of anything people couldn't desperately do without in that time, while simultaneously showing solidarity with smaller traders. Whatever happened to "we're in this together"? People can buy food, booze and bog rolls, what more do they want?

[The Bloop]

People don't need to go to Tesco to buy non-essentials. Buy them all online then send them back within the automatic 14 day cooling off period. When the time the lockdown has ended people can then go and buy the same item in the supermarket or local independent.
That works doesn't it 🙄

[splott parker]

People don't need to go to Tesco to buy non-essentials. Buy them all online then send them back within the automatic 14 day cooling off period. When the time the lockdown has ended people can then go and buy the same item in the supermarket or local independent.
That works doesn't it ��

Ah, but would blue matt’s mother be able to send the kettle back during the cooling off period

[xsnaggle]

Ah, but would blue matt’s mother be able to send the kettle back during the cooling off period

Well you can't send it back while it's hot, can you?

[splott parker]

Well you can't send it back while it's hot, can you?

He stole it?