R rate over2 in parts of southern England;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...research-finds
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R rate over2 in parts of southern England;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...research-finds
Abercynon again.
Its the pubs and customers who are doing the correct thing I feel sorry for.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...aving-19152674
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...says-who-envoy
National lockdowns should be used only as a “reserve” measure to control coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization’s special envoy on Covid.
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This graph, showing hospital admissions is pretty concerning, quickly approaching spring levels.
Have you got a link or a bigger graph?Originally Posted by Rjk
Never mind quoting it has made it bigger
Here's a link for anyone interested:
https://public.tableau.com/profile/p...eadlinesummary
https://twitter.com/PublicHealthW/st...196527104?s=20
21 deaths today, they are undeniably on the way up now.
Considering they were in the 1s or 2s when the second lockdown was announced it could be that they've made a good call here
I'm beginning to think nothing anyone does is going to stop this until they find a vaccine or two.
It hardly bears thinking about.
Its not going to. Some of the latest reports on vaccines are not pointing to a game changer any time soon either.
Johnson though has promised 10m tests a day.
That will allow some sort of normality before a vaccine.
Im suprised he isnt being questioned about this. If its more of his bullshit then the Tories need be removing him along with his entire front bench.
They said on monday they were "on target" to acheive it. That is the capacity to analyse them, not collect them.
But either way I'll believe it when it happens,
The problem with tests is that people ( like doctors, nurses ,ancillary staff ,carers) will need testing over and over again. If you're clear today it doesn't mean you'll be clear tomorrow. It's just like a car MOT, just a snapshot of one day.
10m tests a day is a virtually impossible target to meet considering we are only testing up to 588000 at the moment. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
One scientist said on TV yesterday that, like the common cold and flu, this virus will be with us forever and we will just have to live with it.
The vaccines likely to be available next year are not the answer as they are short lived and will require several treatments per year to be effective. Work is going on to find improved vaccines but they won't be forthcoming for a while yet.
So much doom.....The new tests are like pregnancy tests aren’t they? So can be done at home. Drakeford was saying today that they will be the way we get things back to normal post firebreak didn’t he? Let’s hope it comes off soon.
Didn’t Valance say the other day the Oxford vaccine is looking good for some to have before Christmas? Why doubt it.....
I'm not doubting it. I presume you know that the Oxford vaccine is delivered in 2 doses 28 days apart. NHS staff and carers will begin getting the vaccine early next month. Good news. However, Immunity declines after 3 months so if people want the best protection they will need up to 4 a year. Thus the vaccine or the alternatives which are being worked on are not the total answer but it is hoped the next generation of vaccines will be better. I am not decrying the achievements of the Oxford people but all I was saying (not with the greatest of clarity I accept) is that there are better vaccines to come.
I meant to say the vaccine will be given to NHS and carers in December and not next month. Too late to edit. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...t-nhs-22901794
They dont know If immunity declines after 3 months with the potential vaccine yet do they? That’s just with people who have already had the virus maybe isn’t it? I was reading about Vietnam today, about 30 deaths in 90 million people. They must surely have some genetic immunity in those countries, South Korea, China, Japan etc....
The scientists who said this specifically asked that the statement not be referred to vaccinations. They said that is not known to be true. They were worried about people putting their remarks against vaccoines and scare mongering.
What they said was that the antibodies that defend against the virus decline in those who have had the disease and recover by about 25% (I think) in the 3 months after they recover. However they also said that vaccines will be stronger and should give specific immunity for a much longer period. Historically that is what has happened with other vaccines, although boosters are sometimes necessary.
Think this is Vallances latest.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-says-vallance
It hasnt been confirmed that any vaccination to anyone will begin in December.
We dont even have confirmation that one works yet.
There is plenty online about NHS and care staff getting the vaccine in December but I found a link from the Mirror as I know from past experience linking articles from the Mail and Sun for example attracts abuse. However, here's one from the Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...S-workers.html
It sounds pretty conclusive to me when an NHS Trust e mails its staff telling them to get ready to receive the vaccine in December. Of course the rest of the population will get the vaccine much later as it is rolled out to the various priority groups.
Oh well, survival of the fittest then is it....
It will be a huge boost with the long winter ahead if news that a vaccine shows that it offers protection even if its just effective to say 50% of the public.
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/...795732490?s=21
Those who have been careless about the virus can **** off... dragging us ALL down just because they are damn impatient! And if they didn’t go on holiday (assuming minority are for essential visits) then this strain wouldn’t be here! Like do they need a bloody holiday!? They are reducing the security of others just for that ffs!
I wonder if we hadn’t allowed holidays abroad if we would be in a position similar to NZ now.
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