how does that explain the second spike, or the likely third spike in the new year?Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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how does that explain the second spike, or the likely third spike in the new year?
90 per cent effective so they say
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105
Boom.....
The UK Government has put in an order for 340 million doses, A spokesman said that it should see Merthyr ok for a few months....
Now that really does sound like good news.
Great news. All we need is for the people to agree to take it and I suspect there will be many who won't but I certainly will.
That would be unbelievable and brilliant news if it becomes a reality.
I thought it would be many years if ever that something like that could be produced
Lets hope.🙏
Very busy in Cardiff city centre today my wife tells me....like Christmas Eve!
Many down from the Valleys I suspect spreading their germs everywhere. Cardiff's infection rates are likely to rise now the firebreak is over.
If there are many from the Valleys in Cardiff today it's probably because they've been abiding by the rules and so are taking advantage of their first opportunity to cross county lines in around six weeks - if they've been obeying the rules then you'd assume they wouldn't have germs to spread.
I've typed this assuming you're on the wind up mind.
Not a wind up. My impression was that earlier posts indicated the reason why infection rates in the Valleys were so high was because people in the infected areas lived close together and were in and out of each other's houses increasing the possibilities for person to person contact.
The basis of your conclusion that people visiting Cardiff have obeyed the rules is somewhat suspect. Just to be clear I wasn't insulting people living in the valleys. It's merely the fact that is an area where infection rates are alarmingly high.
Incidentally your book is on its way to me.
Well, if the basis of my conclusion is somewhat suspect, your contentions about the virus being spread today by infected valleyites from areas where infections are alarmingly high descending on Cardiff has to fall into the same category. It's been an education to see some of the comments on here in the last couple of days because you'd think that nearly all of us up here had it, when, as was pointed out earlier, the official figures show that something like 3 per cent have - in fact, when it comes to where I live in particular, there was a diagram on a BBC website page I posted yesterday which showed that those of us living at the top end of the Rhondda valley have a lower infection rate that Gabalfa north I think it was, so it works both ways.
Having got that off my chest, thanks for buying the book
Yep....they haven’t been allowed for 6 weeks is it? No chance I’m going in this week.....
I was in the city centre at lunchtime. Incredible scenes. Genuinely the busiest I've seen it since last Christmas. Long queues outside all of the major shops and some of the less obvious ones too.
So, it seems the local lockdowns are over, the national lockdown has finished and the floodgates have opened.
One bonus I didn't expect after seeing what was happening at 1pm - the bus home at 5pm was no busier than usual. Make of that what you will.
FFS. Hardly shock of the century though.
One of the UK's leading vaccine experts very excited by today's development according to the Guardian's rolling coverage - he forecasts life returning to normal in the spring
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...0870a6e75faf8c
There are some hurdles if my understanding is correct. I don't think that the effectiveness is known across all age groups and apparently it has to be stored at something like -70. Correct me if i'm wrong. Although, brilliant news.
I used to work for Pfizer so well done them. I understand the vaccine needs to be stored at very low temperatures so there may be some logistical issues but there are companies that can handle it, although I doubt you will be able to pop down to the GP for a shot as they usually only have fridges in their surgeries.
When working with Pfizer we handled several temperature sensitive medicines and many were flown in. All were flagged with temperature indicators which monitored variation whilst being transported. Problems sometimes occurred at airports where pallets were left on the tarmac in the heat, so having been transported across the world they could be at most risk on the tarmac at a UK airport.
They a UK based company are they? Between them and Oxford you would think we are in a pretty good situ
American company with a big UK manufacturing base. Vaccine plant where I think European supplies will be manufactured is in Belgium.
Apparently retired past employees based in South Wales will be first in the queue
I think it said minus 80 in that BBC piece didn't it?
Good that some leading experts are excited by the latest developments unlike our First Minister. I was astounded at the stupid negative comments he made to the press yesterday. He was very negative about Pfizer's claims...." You would always want to read carefully what a particular competitor in this field says on their own behalf".
He doesn't realise that all Pfizer have done is report on the findings of a large double blind study, where the doctors involved did not know if patients were getting vaccine or a placebo until the code is broken. This is how medicines are tested worldwide. He really is anti-private industry.
Then he says "we will decide how to use it once it's available". Wales he says will be responsible for storage and distribution as well.
The facts are that supplies could possibly be available within the next 4-6 weeks. There is limited UK capacity for specialist distribution and storage at -80c, so he and Gethin had better get a move on and get a few logistic contracts sorted.
As for deciding who will get it first, well that will be sorted "once it's available". It needs sorting now. It's not as if you will be able to pop over to your GP for it.
Piss up and brewery come to mind
To be fair, I heard Johnson say that the UK Government's order for the vaccine included the devolved Governments and this article confirms that;-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54879535
so what Drakeford was saying was that it would be for the Welsh Government to manage once they had received their allocation, which I would hope would be the policy the UK Government is following.
And Mark Drakeford did say that Wales share will be based on population, so approx 5% of UK. So he knows what he's likely to get which means he should be into planning the vaccination programme now.
Vaccines will happen, if not Pfizer's then AZ. They all work on RNA in similar ways so I expect the AZ one to be just as good, and with the same cold storage issues.
I think it's a bit of a leap to suggest that any Government would be sitting on their hands doing nothing in the situation the Welsh Government now finds itself in, do you really believe that they will not start thinking of how it is allocated before the vaccine has been approved and is in their hands?
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