Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Vindec]

England going into a lockdown. Boris will be on tele at 8pm to tell you all that we will have the virus beat in 12 weeks time thanks to a vaccine strategy that has not been tested anywhere in the world. World leaders. Getting Brexit done. 70,000 dead.

When the number of cases are increasing at an alarming rate, and NHS staff are going sick in their thousands, the government has no alternative than to go into full lockdown. It's the only thing that works. Of course the vaccine is a way out but in the meantime we will just have to get on with it even though it will be more difficult for some than others.

The vaccine strategy is worrying however but, on the face of it, there is some sense in the mass of the population having some immunity by receiving the first dose sooner than they otherwise would have had.

[Allez Allez Allez]

When the number of cases are increasing at an alarming rate, and NHS staff are going sick in their thousands, the government has no alternative than to go into full lockdown. It's the only thing that works. Of course the vaccine is a way out but in the meantime we will just have to get on with it even though it will be more difficult for some than others.

The vaccine strategy is worrying however but, on the face of it, there is some sense in the mass of the population having some immunity by receiving the first dose sooner than they otherwise would have had.

Cases have been rising at an alarming rate for months.

As for the vaccine. What we know. Both vaccines produce a certain level of immunity when the second dose is administered 21 days after the first.

What we don't know. The level of immunity if the first dose is administered 84 days after the first.

The Government has decided to go with the thing we don't know, rather than the thing we do know.

[goats]

Cases have been rising at an alarming rate for months.

As for the vaccine. What we know. Both vaccines produce a certain level of immunity when the second dose is administered 21 days after the first.

What we don't know. The level of immunity if the first dose is administered 84 days after the first.

The Government has decided to go with the thing we don't know, rather than the thing we do know.

I’m sure they know how most vaccines operate though, as they’ve been about quite some time

[cyril evans awaydays]

Amazed to see reports over the weekend that the Chinese government are still denying the virus started in China (wuhan).....let’s hope one day the truth comes out whatever it is

I thought they had denied the conspiracy theory that it originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, not that the virus originated in Wuhan.

[goats]

I thought they had denied the conspiracy theory that it originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, not that the virus originated in Wuhan.

No, apparently it started all over the place, how, only god knows hey

[Monster munch]

I notice that Sturgeon has already stuck Scotland into a full lockdown this lunchtime and closed the schools also until February.
Whatever happens in Boris's speech this evening it dosn't really affect us i guess as we're already in one.
Aside from closing the schools nationwide i'm not really sure what further restrictions can be implemented?

[City123]

I notice that Sturgeon has already stuck Scotland into a full lockdown this lunchtime and closed the schools also until February.
Whatever happens in Boris's speech this evening it dosn't really affect us i guess as we're already in one.
Aside from closing the schools nationwide i'm not really sure what further restrictions can be implemented?

Moving universities online

[goats]

Moving universities online

Most are already....

[City123]

Most are already....

Not fully.

[goats]

Moving universities online

Looking at the test results of many universities before Christmas, pointless as hardly any turned up positive covid. So why punish them even more?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Nightingale Hospitals.

Thought I'd just 'say' it, because no-one's bothered to on the mainstream media

[The Bloop]

Cases have been rising at an alarming rate for months.

As for the vaccine. What we know. Both vaccines produce a certain level of immunity when the second dose is administered 21 days after the first.

What we don't know. The level of immunity if the first dose is administered 84 days after the first.

The Government has decided to go with the thing we don't know, rather than the thing we do know.

The cynic in me (that's a big part) thinks the gap extension between doses is purely a government attempt to reduce the R rate. Someone somewhere has done a few calculations that shows having twice as many people with ~54% immunity is more effective in reducing the R rate than half of them having ~94%.

[Allez Allez Allez]

The cynic in me (that's a big part) thinks the gap extension between doses is purely a government attempt to reduce the R rate. Someone somewhere has done a few calculations that shows having twice as many people with ~54% immunity is more effective in reducing the R rate than half of them having ~94%.

I think the aim, and it is a perfectly reasonable one, is to stop people getting really ill and in dosing as many people as possible they will help relieve pressure on hospitals.

My concern is that this has no data during trials, and so we may find countries (just UK at present) advocating a longer schedule have a lower efficacy than other countries. This could potentially mean us having to revaccinate much earlier than necessary. Potentially of course, it is also potentially possible that this turns out to work fine.

[lisvaneblue]

I think the aim, and it is a perfectly reasonable one, is to stop people getting really ill and in dosing as many people as possible they will help relieve pressure on hospitals.

My concern is that this has no data during trials, and so we may find countries (just UK at present) advocating a longer schedule have a lower efficacy than other countries. This could potentially mean us having to revaccinate much earlier than necessary. Potentially of course, it is also potentially possible that this turns out to work fine.

There is evidence that the Oxford vaccine will do OK with up to a 12 week window between jabs. Also evidence is that after 1 dose even those who got Covid didn't need hospitalisation.

The Pfizer vaccine is different in that there is no evidence how or if a 12 week gap between jabs will work. No one knows how long immunity lasts after one jab because in trials a second dose was given after 3 weeks.

If Pfizer turned up at the MHRA with their trial data and asked if it could be approved to give a second dose after 12 weeks, they would be shown the door and told to come back when they have some evidence of effectiveness

[Hilts]

Yet again hes late in taking action. Hancock was pathetic on TV this morning.

I wonder if football will stop soon?

The British Boxing Board have taken action and events suspended for a month.

Time for football to take action as well.?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Drakeford was slagged off not long ago , looks like his lockdown was right and 2xweeks before everyone else

[Hilts]

Nightingale Hospitals.

Thought I'd just 'say' it, because no-one's bothered to on the mainstream media

Hancock was questioned on them this morning.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Hancock was questioned on them this morning.

Missed that

[Hilts]

Missed that

Dont worry you didnt miss much his answer was a load of gibberish waffling.

[Rjk]

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saw this in the FT and thought it was interesting

[jon1959]

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saw this in the FT and thought it was interesting

I have absolutely no idea what that is saying. Nada. Although I expect it is interesting. If i understood it. But I don't.

[Rjk]

I have absolutely no idea what that is saying. Nada. Although I expect it is interesting. If i understood it. But I don't.

I *think* it's comparing how strict selected countries coronavirus responses have been by date

[Pearcey3]

Schools were perfectly safe to go to on the first day of the new term but so unsafe they are closed for the second day and for the foreseeable.What a shambles.

[jon1959]

Margaret Ferrier has been arrested and charged by police for her widely reported Covid rules breaches that led to the SNP suspending her - almost 14 weeks after she did the deed!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...id-rule-breach

That is incredibly slow - and given how high profile the incidents were it doesn't do much for clear messages and deterrence!

[goats]

It’s going to take forever to vaccinate everyone from what I can gather....all year probably