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The Government has said that responding to a wider pandemic of coronavirus may require further emergency legislation. The Government announced on 8 March 2020 that it intended to introduce a “Covid-19 emergency bill”.Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/c...y-legislation/
The powers didn't come into place on the 8th March. The announcement that emergency powers were going to be granted was on that date.
I think you owe me an apology.
Just picked up ITV news 8 March 2020 on line
Welsh Government Granted emergency to tackle the coronavirus crisis
If you know better then of course I apologise
Because you said the WG had the same powers as the UK govt. when it came to locking down early etc... Or have you forgotten that already?
Why does the welsh government being useless get the U.K. government off the hook for being absolute shite and killing 100,000 people
So the government has killed 100000 people? Is this the most ridiculous comment yet?
"Yep completely agree, I don't understand being so deep in support of a political party that anyone could defend this."
I was replying to this. I suggest you read the posts quoted to understand the point being made. And who was defending it? I suggest you re-read my post where I criticised the government on many occasions.
It's a bit lame to suggest that the argument has been lost when comparisons are being made. If you follow the thread you wouldn't say that.
You only have to look at the number of cases to see that lockdowns work. Monkfish has said before there is no scientific evidence they work - it's nonsense to say that.
Are they fun? Do we want them? Do we want them for months on end? Obviously no.
Are they successful in reducing cases, which is the point? Yes.
Are there other, awful side effects of lockdowns? Yes.
But they absolutely work.
do they work or do they just delay the inevitable? genuine question here, because after every lockdown, we've seen cases balloon
What are lockdowns ? Essentially they are designed to stop people mixing in a way that they will pass the virus onto another person. If I can go into Tesco with a mask on, then there's no logical reason why I shouldn't go into a pub, restaurant, Department Store, where control measures are ten times stricter. On top of that, the lack of external social interaction that the majority of us crave has increased the need to visit people/families in their own homes. I seriously doubt they've worked. We're over a year into this with 100,000 dead. Even if any of our leaders, medical or political though the same, I doubt they would risk being lyched by admitting it now.
Shopping in a supermarket involves a more essential activity than visiting a pub and restaurant - and people visiting the latter two establishments would remove their masks as well. The former represents a calculated risk but opening bars and restaurant would increase that risk. And the consumption of alcohol would increase the risk factor even more.
I saw that too but only on the ITV news site.. Did you bother reading anything further than the headline?
Perhaps you will just take this as evidence instead?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...ainst-covid-19
Notice the date: 8th March 2020
We’re now at the stage it seems where it’s being said that Wales could have gone into a firebreak lockdown in the autumn without a furlough scheme after it was denied the money to operate such a plan by the UK Chancellor because the Government he was a member of were ignoring the advice of the SAGE committee to implement a UK lockdown.
What would’ve been the purpose of ordering a lockdown in Wales with no furlough scheme? As far as I can see it would be to show that opponents of Drakeford’s Government on a Cardiff City messageboard were right when they argued that it wasn’t a case of Welsh health policy being dictated by UK Government financial considerations.- how else would it have benefited anyone?
A lockdown without furlough would, as has already been remarked, been traumatic for those affected and it seems obvious to me that this would have led to the lockdown rules being poorly observed, thereby making the whole thing pretty pointless (by their actions over a period of almost a year, the UK Government know it would be electorally suicidal as well).
The WAG were denied the opportunity to have the lockdown they wanted to have at the time they wanted to have it, but, like so many others, they probably knew that the UK Government would have to succumb to the inevitable soon whereby they would have to announce a lockdown with furlough payments to all four nations.
What I'm taking from this is Mark Drakeford put finances over health. If Lockdown was so essential, then it should not matter whether we had furlough or not.
and for the record, since you don't know, WG has been pumping money into Welsh business since March 2020 so there was no reason why it had to rely on the furlough scheme, when it has had several rates/grant schemes of its own. The money could have been given to business just through a different mechanism.
WG chose not to enter lockdown, citing HMT as the reason, but that just does not hold up when WG has been using its own funds to support Welsh business all through lockdown
talk about desperate.
if stating facts is desperate then so be it. you clearly were not aware that WG had been providing support to business using their own funds, they could have done the same to push through a firebreak but chose not to.
https://gov.wales/bill-responds-wels...virus-covid-19
'Bill responds to Welsh Ministers' requests for new emergency powers to tackle coronavirus (COVID-19)
Health Minister Vaughan Gething has welcomed confirmation that the emergency powers sought by Wales to tackle coronavirus (COVID-19) will be introduced by the UK government.'
The bill would grant them emergency powers... But they didn't get them until it passed through law.
Even Hancock said the bill would provide them with short-term powers once it passed.
Come on now.
this does not change the fact that WG had the same powers as the UK government both before and after the bill.
and before you go off on one, i have not made comment on this bill at all. My comment has always been about WG and UKG having the same powers, no what those powers were, or when they were granted.
"this does not change the fact that WG had the same powers as the UK government both before and after the bill"
What's the point of it then? I asked you this earlier but you ignored it.
what is the point of what? I'm not being difficult, I really don't understand your question.
My earlier comment was about WG having the same powers as UKG but not being held accountable by the Tory bashers. WG should be held accountable in the same way ha UKG should be held accountable. Both have made mistakes, both could have done better
That's my lot for the day. I don't know if I have been as productive as Feedback says he has been.
USA has just recently reached the tragic milestone of 200,000 Covid deaths. This in a country where the loony previous administration's mismanagement of the crisis has rightly attracted global distain. One wonders how many more would have succumbed had they taken the former President's advice and ingested disinfectant.
The USA has a population 5 times greater than the UK so in broad terms even if we had only suffered 40,000 deaths our Government should have been ashamed of their failure. Just what perspective does that put on losing 100k people? "Eat out to help out", "Get back to work if you're able", "Have yourselves a merry little Christmas'..... criminal?
We have an ageing population with more obesity that most Countries. We also have one of the highest population densities in Europe. Three major factors
I am afraid the US death toll is over double that above 400k
I take your point but the Covid19 deaths in the USA is 425k as of today, not 200k. Its still not as bad as the UKs rate but its pretty grim.
"Dine out, help out" was a policy that was lauded at time, and helped a lot of business. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it
**** me how do you still not get it
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