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    While the EU vaccine fight heats up worth remembering that many countries haven't been able to vaccinate anyone yet. In the whole of Sub-Saharan Africa there have been 55 vaccinations.

    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1354495159396925440
    We're either going to have to close our borders to these parts of the world for a long, long time or start helping out more. Probably both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    We're either going to have to close our borders to these parts of the world for a long, long time or start helping out more. Probably both.
    In Fairness the one thing the UK has done well with is procurement of vaccines and being involved in covax which aims to give poorer countries access to vaccines.

    Also we do have great scientists in this country so our sequencing of the cases has been excellent too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    In Fairness the one thing the UK has done well with is procurement of vaccines and being involved in covax which aims to give poorer countries access to vaccines.

    Also we do have great scientists in this country so our sequencing of the cases has been excellent too.
    COVAX, the global WHO led effort to vaccinate lower income countries, has only allocated 300m doses to Africa in total which is just 20% of the population. WHO hasn't yet approved any vaccines except Pfizer. It's all too slow.

    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1354495778769801217
    We do have great scientists and supporting them will probably be seen as the best thing Boris/Cummings did, but more still needs to done to spread vaccines around the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    We do have great scientists and supporting them will probably be seen as the best thing Boris/Cummings did, but more still needs to done to spread vaccines around the world.
    You do have to give it to the government the way they've procured and rolled out the vaccine has been incredible.

    You only have to look at the EU to see how it can be done slowly and poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    do you agree that Mark Drakeford and the Welsh government have made significant mistakes too?
    Of course.

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    We do need to be careful when making international comparisons as the practices of recording deaths varies from country to country. An ONS report

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...uarytojune2020

    confirmed this by stating:

    "Given the widely differing practices between countries in recording and reporting deaths relating to COVID-19 it is not possible at this time to conduct accurate international comparisons of deaths involving COVID-19 specifically."

    What we can say is that the situation in the UK is very bad and has not been handled well apart from the vaccine rollout which has been exemplary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    We do need to be careful when making international comparisons as the practices of recording deaths varies from country to country. An ONS report

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...uarytojune2020

    confirmed this by stating:

    "Given the widely differing practices between countries in recording and reporting deaths relating to COVID-19 it is not possible at this time to conduct accurate international comparisons of deaths involving COVID-19 specifically."

    What we can say is that the situation in the UK is very bad and has not been handled well apart from the vaccine rollout which has been exemplary.
    you're not suggesting Mainland Taiwan is prone to under reporting its figures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    We do need to be careful when making international comparisons as the practices of recording deaths varies from country to country. An ONS report

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...uarytojune2020

    confirmed this by stating:

    "Given the widely differing practices between countries in recording and reporting deaths relating to COVID-19 it is not possible at this time to conduct accurate international comparisons of deaths involving COVID-19 specifically."

    What we can say is that the situation in the UK is very bad and has not been handled well apart from the vaccine rollout which has been exemplary.
    Can we not just look at excess deaths though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post

    I’ve received one and got advised I could still carry the virus which was then and still is problematic. It’s obvious now (to me) but like the dullard I can be thought it prevented getting the virus until advised otherwise.
    I think that’s hopefully precautionary as there were no studies done into it by either of the jabs.

    The Pfizer one in Israel looks like it is stopping the spread so we have to hope the AZ one does the same.

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    IMG_20210129_092120.jpg coming down nicely at the moment, in a couple more weeks we'll get the people who like to criticize Mark Drakeford changing from criticizing the numbers of infections to saying he's being too cautious and damaging the economy.

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    Nicola Sturgeon
    The Daily Telegraph says Ms Sturgeon has been accused of "showboating" and "attempting to curry favour" with the EU by promising to publish the data. By revealing how many doses Scotland expects each week, the first minister hopes to counter claims she is failing to roll out the vaccine quickly enough in her country, the paper reports. It says the UK government has refused to publish details of how much vaccine supply it expects from manufacturers each week, partly because of concern EU nations could use this to put pressure on companies to divert doses.

    She really is vile. Independence for her is the biggest and most important thing in her life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    Nicola Sturgeon
    The Daily Telegraph says Ms Sturgeon has been accused of "showboating" and "attempting to curry favour" with the EU by promising to publish the data. By revealing how many doses Scotland expects each week, the first minister hopes to counter claims she is failing to roll out the vaccine quickly enough in her country, the paper reports. It says the UK government has refused to publish details of how much vaccine supply it expects from manufacturers each week, partly because of concern EU nations could use this to put pressure on companies to divert doses.

    She really is vile. Independence for her is the biggest and most important thing in her life.
    why is that vile?
    sharing information helps everyone learn about the most effective ways to combat this and future pandemics. the EU are not our enemy. and lives lost there don't count less than lives lost here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    why is that vile?
    sharing information helps everyone learn about the most effective ways to combat this and future pandemics. the EU are not our enemy. and lives lost there don't count less than lives lost here
    She’s not sharing information to help, she’d be sharing confidential information regarding supplies and contracts, don’t see how anyone can defend her if that’s what she intends doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    why is that vile?
    sharing information helps everyone learn about the most effective ways to combat this and future pandemics. the EU are not our enemy. and lives lost there don't count less than lives lost here
    Isn't it quite likely releasing the data could put AZ in a difficult position and stop us getting enough vaccine though?

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    drakeford moving the goalposts or should i say traffic lights now it seems on radio wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Isn't it quite likely releasing the data could put AZ in a difficult position and stop us getting enough vaccine though?
    AZ are in a difficult position regardless. It all comes down to what is in the (presently unpublished) contracts with the UK and EU. If she wants to put facts out there to counter Tory misinformation (backed by the Telegraph etc) about the real position in Scotland, then good on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    AZ are in a difficult position regardless. It all comes down to what is in the (presently unpublished) contracts with the UK and EU. If she wants to put facts out there to counter Tory misinformation (backed by the Telegraph etc) about the real position in Scotland, then good on her.
    It is usually quite instructive when seeing headlines like this in the Telegraph and Express to see who is doing the accusing to justify the headlines. In this instance the three people quoted are Peter Bone, Ian Duncan Smith and David Jones. All MPs who are uber-Brexiteers and key members of the ERG.

    The Scottish Tories, Davidson and Ross make no such accusation, more that this is a smokescreen for Scotland's relatively poor performance. A far more reasonable claim.

    Goes to show just how easy it is to get enraged by headlines without studying where they came from though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    AZ are in a difficult position regardless. It all comes down to what is in the (presently unpublished) contracts with the UK and EU. If she wants to put facts out there to counter Tory misinformation (backed by the Telegraph etc) about the real position in Scotland, then good on her.
    She has been asked not to but for political spite she is about to disclose what is probably confidential information from the UK/AZ supply contract. She's nuts and dangerous. She wouldn't care a shit if AZ stopped supplying as long as she can score political points.
    AZ are getting into hot water because of the general incompetence of EU officials, and now her. They are selling this product at cost price for the benefit of everyone. They'll be a 'force majure' paragraph in the contract I hope AZ don't use it.

    And ,sad to say, your comments are just as myopic.

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    What’s folks thoughts on how far we take this lockdown? With rates in cardiff at 182 and swansea 120, and that was a week ago, will another month see it almost gone? Mitigating risk with vaccine and tracing whilst opening up things possible in the next few weeks?
    I don’t think Cardiff has been this low since October. Maybe we will give the eat out to help out a swerve this time.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    What’s folks thoughts on how far we take this lockdown? With rates in cardiff at 182 and swansea 120, and that was a week ago, will another month see it almost gone? Mitigating risk with vaccine and tracing whilst opening up things possible in the next few weeks?
    I don’t think Cardiff has been this low since October. Maybe we will give the eat out to help out a swerve this time.....
    See what Drakeford has to say today. Probably stay in lockdown for another 3 week period and then staged openings mid Feb onwards. Priority school years, maybe gyms and high street shops after that. Pubs will be the last to open mid to end of March or something I reckon.
    The rates are coming down really well in South Wales but we've been burnt before opening things up too quickly.
    I would honestly prefer them to take their time and get it right and look towards Easter when many of the vulnerable and over 70's will have had their 2 doses hopefully.

    Summer is having it this year!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    See what Drakeford has to say today. Probably stay in lockdown for another 3 week period and then staged openings mid Feb onwards. Priority school years, maybe gyms and high street shops after that. Pubs will be the last to open mid to end of March or something I reckon.
    The rates are coming down really well in South Wales but we've been burnt before opening things up too quickly.
    I would honestly prefer them to take their time and get it right and look towards Easter when many of the vulnerable and over 70's will have had their 2 doses hopefully.

    Summer is having it this year!!
    No way pubs to sell just alchohol by sometime in March.

    May maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    She’s not sharing information to help, she’d be sharing confidential information regarding supplies and contracts, don’t see how anyone can defend her if that’s what she intends doing.
    She's been slagged off by the Scottish Tories and by Boris Johnson about vaccine take-up and roll-out... I wonder why they're now upset at her for potentially releasing data to show the (potential) truth of the matter?

    Something doesn't add up.

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    More good vaccine news, a single dose Belgian vaccine has proved 66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) - Britain has ordered 30 million doses of this one.

    The bad(dish) news is that it was only 57 per cent effective in South Africa, but the makers are looking into whether a double dose would provide different results.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

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