Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lisvaneblue]

Politics aside, this is a sad story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57162428

Sad to say this is very political. There's no doubt that many in the NHS have worked their socks off for us all through this pandemic, and I'm sure will continue to do so.

This lady has obviously got a job lined up in the Caribbean thank you followed by a holiday back home in New Zealand. Good for her but she's making political capital out of it, and Mr Starmer as usual has gone in all guns blazing...Ready...Fire...Aim.

This nurse says she was a sister in ITU in London, and as such would have been earning around £60,000 a year so not doing too badly.

[xsnaggle]

Interesting article regarding 'unlock' decisions

I particularly noted his comment about the people saying it was too early and will lead to problems, and how they are the same people who said schools and other things would, and were wrong. Let's hope they're wrong again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57150871

[The Bloop]

Didnt the Welsh government want a longer Firebreak in the autumn, but couldn't as it would have extended past the end of the Furlough period. They asked Westminster to extend furlough but Boris said no. A short while later Boris renewed furlough anyway.

[the other bob wilson]

Now, this is political and will I'm sure be, almost completely, ignored because Boris (TM) is a laugh, he got Brexit done and he's trying his best - not forgetting the old faithful of course, "just imagine what would have happened if Corbyn had been in charge".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57160297

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57160297[/QUOTE]

This is something that should be highlighted more:

The report said: "While the response to the pandemic has provided new learning from both what has worked well and what has not worked well, it has also laid bare existing fault lines within society, such as the risk of widening inequalities, and within public service delivery and government itself."

The National Audit Office also urged ministers to come up with ideas to prevent (to which I would add here: "even greater" seeing as already mentioned as an existing fault line) widening inequality caused by the pandemic.

The NAO warned that the hundreds of billions of pounds spent in response to the pandemic so far may have an impact on the longer-term sustainability of the public finances.

[the other bob wilson]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57160297

This is something that should be highlighted more:[/QUOTE]

People up in arms about a tiny, tiny fraction of the amount of central Government spending mentioned in the NAO report possibly being spent by the Senedd and yet they appear to have no problem with the issues you raise - very odd.

[Rjk]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57186059.amp

the test and trace system that we've spent so many billions on and still not working properly partly responsible for the spread of the Indian variant.

we've spent like 75% of the NHS budget on this

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"Government agreed to pay £280m for masks below NHS standards in ‘truly colossal’ PPE spending spree"

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/g...d-b935860.html

[Rjk]

"Government agreed to pay £280m for masks below NHS standards in ‘truly colossal’ PPE spending spree"

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/g...d-b935860.html

https://www.scotsman.com/health/ayan...-mills-2935155

it just gets murkier

[the other bob wilson]

Good news regarding the vaccines and the Indian variant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596

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Good news regarding the vaccines and the Indian variant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596

The majority of the UK has had a single vaccine dose which is believed to be 33% effective against this new variant. Older people were more likely to have had AstraZeneca which (at this early stage, AstraZeneca effectiveness is believed to build up over longer than the 2 weeks studied) is at least 60% effective after two doses and Pfizer 88% effective.

It's definitely more positive than negative but need for ventilation and mask wearing remains.

[Hilts]

Should the enquiry be asap?

https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-c...eaths-12317232

[IanD]

Should the enquiry be asap?

https://news.sky.com/story/dominic-c...eaths-12317232

Next spring....when data shows what a brilliant leader Johnson has been and got Covid under control. All will be well with the world by then.

[Freitag 4.17]

Matt Hancock and the ****ing fat clown at the very least need to resign, and should be tried for manslaughter if what has gone down today at this select committee is at all true.

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As one journalist said it's best to treat Cummings as a defecting spy from opposition camp, but as another journalist said we're about to find out how good a job Cummings did of convincing the public Boris Johnson is a Prime Minister to be admired regardless of what the facts say.

Interesting to see plenty of articles regarding current variant (first identified in India) saying UK in much stronger position because of lower infection rates and good roll-out of the vaccine then Cummings to say this:

“If we’d crushed it in September, by the time the variants came along we’d have been in a much better position.” Cummings says this isn’t hindsight - PM was told by Patrick Vallance and others in September.

Two key moments in this pandemic were when people moved back into care homes and response to rising number of cases in winter. Variant first identified in Kent might have been new but something like that was to be expected and Scotland, Wales and England took a very different approach during that autumn/winter period when over half the deaths from covid occurred. Imo, Boris protected Christmas shopping instead of Christmas shoppers.

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As one journalist said it's best to treat Cummings as a defecting spy from opposition camp, but as another journalist said we're about to find out how good a job Cummings did of convincing the public Boris Johnson is a Prime Minister to be admired regardless of what the facts say.


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And maybe the start of Cummings doing exactly the same role for Sunak or Rabb?

[Freitag 4.17]

And maybe the start of Cummings doing exactly the same role for Sunak or Rabb?

Or (Not very pretty on the inside) Priti ..

[the other bob wilson]

Wasn’t it just a rehash of what should have been clear for ages? The sheer ineptitude of this Prime Minister and Cabinet is accepted by millions who, amazingly, still support them. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see Cummings’ testimony changing anything.

[delmbox]

Wasn’t it just a rehash of what should have been clear for ages? The sheer ineptitude of this Prime Minister and Cabinet is accepted by millions who, amazingly, still support them. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see Cummings’ testimony changing anything.

It doesn't seem like news because most of us have assumed it for over a year but it's the first time somebody who was in the room at the time has described exactly how bad it was. Won't change a single thing though.

[Elwood Blues]

It doesn't seem like news because most of us have assumed it for over a year but it's the first time somebody who was in the room at the time has described exactly how bad it was. Won't change a single thing though.

Problem is can we believe a man in the room who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances. A YouGov poll in the Daily Mail today said that whilst only 35% thought that Boris Johnson would tell the truth about the pandemic, less than half that (14%) thought that Dominic Cummings would.

Now if Mark Sedwill the former Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Home Civil Service until 2020 confirms some of it that may be a different matter.....

[the other bob wilson]

Problem is can we believe a man in the room who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances. A YouGov poll in the Daily Mail today said that whilst only 35% thought that Boris Johnson would tell the truth about the pandemic, less than half that (14%) thought that Dominic Cummings would.

Now if Mark Sedwill the former Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Home Civil Service until 2020 confirms some of it that may be a different matter.....

You mean Johnson? It's happened to him at least twice (once for lying) and yet slightly more than one in three think he is telling the truth about the Pandemic (bless em).

Still, imagine what it would have been like if Corbyn had won.

[goats]

You mean Johnson? It's happened to him at least twice (once for lying) and yet slightly more than one in three think he is telling the truth about the Pandemic (bless em).

Still, imagine what it would have been like if Corbyn had won.

We’d all be dead.....

[Jordi Culé]

Problem is can we believe a man in the room who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances. A YouGov poll in the Daily Mail today said that whilst only 35% thought that Boris Johnson would tell the truth about the pandemic, less than half that (14%) thought that Dominic Cummings would.

Now if Mark Sedwill the former Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Home Civil Service until 2020 confirms some of it that may be a different matter.....

Great last point about getting in Sedwill in and asking him a few questions. Expanding on it why not get Hancock, Whitty, Vallance and Johnson all in and perhaps call it a public inquiry?

Hang on, Johnson hasn’t got time for that he’s too busy dealing with Dilyn the dog.

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Problem is can we believe a man in the room who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances. A YouGov poll in the Daily Mail today said that whilst only 35% thought that Boris Johnson would tell the truth about the pandemic, less than half that (14%) thought that Dominic Cummings would.

Now if Mark Sedwill the former Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Home Civil Service until 2020 confirms some of it that may be a different matter.....

We know that UK government thought they had more time to act so were slow to respond; that the "protective ring around care homes" was a lie; that there was overemphasis on hand washing and even now a lack of emphasis on ventilation/mask wearing as part of bad messaging; and we know SAGE recommended a circuit break fearing things would get out of control and Boris paid attention much later than Sturgeon and Drakeford not wanting to lockdown again with the eventual cost of over half the lives lost to covid.

Dismissing or accepting Cummings blindly would be a mistake. People do like Boris though and are keen to believe nothing more could have been done because alternative is much harder to deal with...some mistakes (see care homes) happened in different parties so no one there to point it out too strongly.

[goats]

Wasn’t it just a rehash of what should have been clear for ages? The sheer ineptitude of this Prime Minister and Cabinet is accepted by millions who, amazingly, still support them. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see Cummings’ testimony changing anything.

Probably because Cummings is a c u n t and everyone with half a brain knows it....government screwed up loads, unfortunately for us we have them and basically no one else to run the shitshow. Saved by science and nothing else