New variants have appeared. We're not closed down.Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
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New variants have appeared. We're not closed down.
'closed down' in a generic sense - put on stop -put back- removed from list- added to list-.
I think you know what I meant.
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I think you’re talking bollocks. Variants have appeared. Nevertheless, shops are open, pubs are open, restaurants are open, offices are open, restrictions are lifting and everything feels much more relaxed. It’s a very different picture to a year ago.
Despite the emergence of variants, we’re not closed down or even remotely close to being so.
India, now Nepal....which one will be next? Pakistan, Bangladeshi?
Barnsley?
To be fair, it seems more about managing hospital admissions. Things are far from being closed down again.
To say something you already know: the past year we've seen evidence that increase cases is followed by increase in hospital admissions and increase in deaths. There is some evidence that has happened recently in Bolton so the worry is that we're still following that pattern, although Bolton hospitalisations seems to have peaked already.
At some point vaccinations will protect enough people that the chain is broken, we may even already be at that point now, but latest data says vaccines only 33% effective after two weeks against this Indian/Delta variant so can see why caution still being applied while evidence is still emerging.
Regarding English lockdown easing:
The original text allowed for step 2, 3 and 4 to be pushed back if needs be without contradicting original plan. Weird that public didn't hear that - whether that's wanting to criticise response for "dates not data" or whether it's to claim betrayal if there had been/is movement - and that the Westminster government isn't reminding people of that, but then they want the plaudits for "creating" that long waited positive moment.
'closed down' in a generic sense - put on stop -put back- removed from list- added to list
If you put opening up back any further, extend what are in effect holiday bans, because you're 'concerned', then we'll carry on like this indefinitely.
If you don't reach a stage in your reasoning that a risk is possible yet unlikely, then you will never stop the endless fear that's plaguing Government. What's ironic, is there isn't actually a new variant according to WHO, it's a minor mutation of which there have been 1000's.
Not 'closed down' in the sense of being closed down then. In recent weeks I have drunk beer in pub gardens, increased the number of people on my walks from 6 to up to 30, attended a football game, visited Wales, eaten in restaurants with up to 6 friends etc - all things that I couldn't do a month or two ago. Yes, some measures have had to be revised or reversed in the short term but being 'closed down again' it ain't.
I’ve been fully vaccinated now for about a month and have been to my local pub quite a bit.
It felt really odd initially, having not been out to a bar or restaurant in over a year.
It’s absolutely back to how it used to be now sat at a full bar, no masks required.
I’m fine with that now, most people have had the opportunity to get vaccinated and it’s time that we get back to how things were.
If we can’t go on foreign holidays this year I really wonder how hotels, airlines and tour operators will survive. Surely they will all go under along with 1000’s of businesses that serve these people....do people just assume they will just start up again?
Are Boris Johnson & the Govt. that concerned about the economy ? I doubt it. a £3 trillion debt which no-one is going to bother to even start to pay off, their 'legacy' of how they handled Covid is their only real concern. You can blame the Govt. as much as you want on the demise of an airline - they can put it down to Covid - but taking blame for Covid deaths is another matter..
All they are concerned about is the economy isn’t it?
Covid: People in hospital with Indian variant not increasing significantly - NHS boss https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57367849
Aren't the majority of these people ones who were entitled to receive the vaccine but have refused it?
Ironic , I find it even more incredible that care home workers and NHS staff are refusing to take the vaccine
Probably, or young enough for it to not really affect them
This bit of the message is just as important.In Wales, over 60% of adults under 30 have already had their first dose of the vaccine.
We expect to have offered the first dose to every adult in Wales by this time next week.
No one should be left behind. Think you've been missed? Get in touch
https://twitter.com/WelshGovernment/...71616359940099
There either was or there wasn't. How can both statements be correct?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57226423
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57226423
What are you asking here?
When I posted that the two links were different, one said there were only 3 deaths in the week just gone and the other said there had been no covid related deaths for 12 days. Both on the BBC Wales website at 0800 this morning.
Which is why I asked the question.
A few days ago they said there hadn't been a death in x number of days but had recorded one from last year.
In theory, it's possible that in a year's time we're told actually there was a death recorded within this timeframe so guess difference is that we'd have to really search for them rather than it being so obvious.
If anyone has been missed regarding vaccine they'd love to hear from you.
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