Oh ok, that’s good to know. Feel free to drop me a direct message with more info if you don’t mind.Originally Posted by goats
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Oh ok, that’s good to know. Feel free to drop me a direct message with more info if you don’t mind.
We drove down to London on the weekend to see round 19 of the netball super-league at the copperbox arena , as always we park at the Mall right next door ( thanks to the folks who gave me that advice)
The VNSL have created a " covid bubble " and play all the games over a 2 or 3 day weekend, teams will play 2 games on a 3 day weekend, so Sunday had 4 games ( though 1 was cancelled as a player had pinged with the NHS app that they had a contact ), the copperbox holds 7500 people and they could sell 1000 tickets, every other row had to stay empty , we met friends for lunch in the Mall, but couldnt sit next to them in the copperbox, which seemed crazy , we also had to wear face masks all the time, so we were about 20 M's away from the next group, but if you took your face mask down to eat, the security came and told you of, the funny thing was, the security seemed to have a face mask that was a chin warmer
most in the copperbox were sensible, in the mall alot of people struggled with wearing masks correctly though
This "freedom day" thats been delayed in england for a month, when it does happen does that mean no more mask wearing in restaurants/supermarkets? track and trace finished with? the end of maximum 2 people in a shop at the same time etc?
Another treatment that will save lives, seems like this could benefit those who cannot by vaccinated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57488150
Will Cummings end up getting his man?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57498845
Amazing how Cummings was the evil master of Boris only a short while ago, people wouldnt believe a word he was saying, a serial liar, he was lower than a snakes Belly, yet now he is laying into the Tories ( like a whining bitch who was jilted on her wedding day ) we take everything he says as gospel and celebrate everything that comes out of his mouth
its a funny old world
Who is the 'we' in that statement? From what I can see the majority view amongst the public (from polls) and the media is that Cummings is probably telling the truth mostly, but that his credibility is so shot that it won't have much impact - and anyway a large percentage of the public are not surprised by any of the allegations, think that themselves, but for some reason don't care!
For once the Daily Star has captured the mood of the nation!
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No one cares, everyone with half a brain cell knows they are all load of lying kents…….it’s politics
You've got it right there Jon - especially the last bit of the first paragraph.
dont worry, i didnt include you in that " we "
No changes to be announced in Wales tomorrow according to LBC amid concern about Delta variant
Wales following England's lead seems to be the right decision. However, for the sake of balance it has to be said that when Johnson made a similar announcement he was branded on this site as a buffoon for that announcement. No similar statements have been made about Drakeford's announcement yet. Johnson might be a buffoon but not for making a decision designed to save lives even at the expense of the economy.
From a health perspective, I think the most desired thing now is ensuring people come for second jab and those missed attend a first one. Wales now 8% ahead of Scotland (2nd) in terms of first jabs to over 18's with Wales on 88.1% done and 1.4% behind England (1st) in terms of second jabs - Wales on 56.8%.
From a business perspective, I hope we can start to utilise 1m plus with good ventilation and mask wearing being focused on. We need to support local businesses over things like Amazon where we can.
I hope you are not suggesting its one rule for Boris ( evil empire overlord ) and one for Drakeford ( hero of Wales ) ? ?
Within the link you've replied to it states:
"On June 4 the First Minister had announced a two-phased approach to reaching the final Alert Level One easing of restrictions. Two weeks ago Mark Drakeford had warned that the Delta variant “adds a new level of uncertainty and complexity.”
Then later it says:
"In response to reports of a delay to easing restrictions, the Welsh Conservatives said: “This does not come as a surprise, particularly in light of the concerns over the delta variant. “However, I hope Labour ministers are giving consideration to easing some of the restrictions on major life events such as weddings and funerals."
The Welsh Conservatives comment perhaps highlighting that Boris had in effect created a phased approach himself after June 4th delaying "freedom day" but allowing weddings to go ahead without cap on guests//as long as there was no dancing. And I've split that up because Tories here want people to know something important could have been allowed without mentioning the bizarre conditions on it.
But isn't Drakeford proposing to make a further announcement in view of Johnson's statement last Monday? Why make an announcement if the view in Wales remains the same?
It might have played a role in changing content of announcement but it hasn't created a further announcement from what I can tell. I say that because a lot easier to slow easing of lockdown if England has already done so due to lack of public and press backlash and size/closeness of border, but likely that that was the desired plan for all nations regardless of what England did.
Imo, since schools went back for one day in England after Christmas Westminster has become a lot more cautious - waiting 5 weeks between stages is cautious even if shouting "freedom day" and whispering "no earlier than" was a gamble which hasn't paid off - and I think that's so most people forget how reckless Boris and his government was before that moment. Drakeford has been largely cautious throughout, sometimes painfully so, which overall means spirit of Boris' behaviour has moved to be more like Drakeford.
I’m having my 25th CPR test on Monday, despite having had Covid, been vaccinated, had 2 Anti-bodies tests and numerous LFTs, another 5 due in July! Thank goodness the company is paying.
With the Delta variant now spreading thanks to yet another balls up and no doubt being convinced by the likes of Vallance and Whitty the bufoon had little choice than follow Drakeford's cautious approach.
Several people have said Drakeford follows a cautious approach and that England are following Wales. People were not saying that when Drakeford ended his unilateral firebreak last year before reinstating it as cases rose sharply. Then we saw people queuing up outside shops with no social distancing; pubs were open; places of worship were able to hold services etc while England was in lockdown. The results of Drakeford's actions were catastrophic with the Welsh figures rising rapidly. I would hardly describe that as cautious.
Now turning to the point that Wales are leading England I wonder if people on here understand how things work. I'll tell you. What happens is that Wales receives all the technical advice from England. All the individual papers to the groups affected by the lockdown such as the hospitality industry and sports venues are produced in England. All that Wales does is get a very minor civil servant to amend the documentation to include the word "Wales" where England is mentioned. There is a bit more to it than that but you get the gist. Then the hierarchy in the Welsh government decide what to do next. That is where they have a real roll but they are heavily influenced by what happens in England and I can't help concluding that the main motivation is to do things differently in order to exert their independence.
Clearly this tactic has duped the voting public but I find the conclusion reached by those on here is based more on anti Tory rhetoric than fact.
Several people have implied it's slightly more complex than that and treating it as "who is following who?" is a simplistic analysis. You've said the gist of it is that Wales changes name on document and whacks it out.
What is happening in England does have an influence partly because of size of border and how close people live to border - this makes us different to Scotland - but clearly different decisions have been made at different times. After the initial shared approach regarding potentially ill people into care homes different decisions became more clear and now they're more aligned again.
I was merely replying to the post I linked where it was stated the buffoon was following Drakeford's cautious approach. As for your comments they are more balanced than some but I don't entirely agree with them. Where we do agree is that the matter is complex. Let's face it whoever is in charge is likely to be criticised as we are all looking at this through our retrospective scope and it is so easy to criticise after the event. I don't think any politician, be it Drakeford or Johnson, should be blamed for taking action in order to save lives.
Latest from BBC's Ros Atkins which is really worth a watch. "We're talking about Delta and India now but in 6 months it will be a different variant" was one comment highlighted in this fantastically presented summary.The delay in the easing of COVID restrictions in England has raised questions about government decisions in April as cases surged in India. This is the story of the Delta variant. In 7 mins.
https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/sta...15466844983298
Regarding vaccines, Wales has first jabbed 88.3% of population over 18 as of 17th of June (1st, Scotland is second with 81%) and second jabbed 58.4% (2nd, England is first with 59%). It's not a race and dependent on people coming forward especially if they think they've been missed.
There is less and less justification for the continuation of lockdowns and restrictions and generally people are getting pissed off with it.
Other than people on here no one I talk to believes any of the numbers quoted to justify it. Its easy to say thing like "Infections have risen 60%" without pointing out that the actual numbers are 80 rising from 50.
I looked at the comments on the BBC report earlier and as surprised by the number of people saying it is just Drakeford
being determined to cling to control of the population. some believe it is his natural wish springing from his extreme left wing communist inspired inclination that the masses must be kept under control.
But here is the question. In Parliament the act which gives the government the powers it needs to continue lockdowns and the like is finite, and to continue it the government needs to go to parliament to get the law extended. It would have lost this latest vote had it not been supported by labour.
But in Wales we never hear anything about the Senedd having a debate on extending lockdown powers. It seems that the laws passed in Wales have no time limit on them, and I believe we passed for more things into actual laws than parliament have.
so does anyone know what the limitations are or can he keep doing this for as long as he thinks he will get away with it?
It reminds me of the Plaid member who complained last years about the Senedd not being given the opportunities to debate and vote on restrictions. She said then it was 'rule by dictat' and it seems to be still the same.
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