Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Another review said it is 92% effective. It depends who you want belie e, the people who want people free to make their own choices cos or those who want to keep the population locked up as long as possible like flock of sheep.

Are you maybe referring to Pfizer figures seen within this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596 or have I missed another study?

"The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

Other data shows it takes longer to reach maximum effectiveness with the AstraZeneca vaccine, PHE said."

[cyril evans awaydays]

Are you maybe referring to Pfizer figures seen within this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596 or have I missed another study?

"The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

Other data shows it takes longer to reach maximum effectiveness with the AstraZeneca vaccine, PHE said."

I think the Astra Zeneca study referenced was that it was 92% preventative of hospitalisation after two doses should someone catch covid rather than it being 92% effective in stopping you catching it in the first place.

[xsnaggle]

I think the Astra Zeneca study referenced was that it was 92% preventative of hospitalisation after two doses should someone catch covid rather than it being 92% effective in stopping you catching it in the first place.

Probably yes, chance of severe illness, but as the supposed stated aim of all these lockdowns is to protect the NHS, and that isd apparently exactly what it does then that's good enough for me

[goats]

Probably yes, chance of severe illness, but as the supposed stated aim of all these lockdowns is to protect the NHS, and that isd apparently exactly what it does then that's good enough for me

Protect the nhs….you’ve got to love that line. If only the various shambolic governments over the last 20 years had felt the same.
With waiting lists longer than ever and no doubt many people who missed vital scans walking time bombs without knowing it will be interesting to see the state of the beloved nhs in a year or two.

[Wash DC Blue]

Surely what is most important Is the vaccines preventing death, serious illness and hospitalization.

If the vaccines lower transmission or even viral load that’s a bonus.

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Surely what is most important Is the vaccines preventing death, serious illness and hospitalization.

If the vaccines lower transmission or even viral load that’s a bonus.

Exactly, but to Az City apparently that's just bullshit.

[az city]

Exactly, but to Az City apparently that's just bullshit.

Let's me be clear. YOU uttered the vague bullshit though it was somewhat difficult to decipher in the litany of illogicalities, typos and grammatical errors.

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Let's me be clear. YOU uttered the vague bullshit though it was somewhat difficult to decipher in the litany of illogicalities, typos and grammatical errors.

Let me be clear to you, you're a dimwit who has to resort to clutching at the straw of typos etc to recover your self opinionate status. Grow a pair.
What I said and what another poster clarified was quite apparent. You chose to believe the numbers which are depressing and people-lockdown suggestive. In reality the NHS is protected so your numbers are meaningless.
See me next post!!!

[xsnaggle]

These are intersting stats, for those that like stats, and the summary is thought provoking.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ovid-pandemic/

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These are intersting stats, for those that like stats, and the summary is thought provoking.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ovid-pandemic/

"Community prevalence now far lower than when country had similar Covid case numbers in December" by the Telegraph who were (probably) campaigning against lockdown in December.

I don't think it's so much of an imposition to continue with mask wearing indoors, employing good ventilation and looking to avoid crowding of indoor places but recognise that's a personal view. Think signs are looking much more positive now but needlessly reckless to say opening up is irreversible or a specific date is a terminus date which just shows how little some people understand.

[Des Parrot]

Now know a person who has Covid despite double vaccine. See Andrew Marr was in the same position.

[xsnaggle]

Now know a person who has Covid despite double vaccine. See Andrew Marr was in the same position.

Yes, sadly apparently it doesn't work for everybody. But then, most vaccines are not 100%. If we wait for zero everything we will be locked down for ever, which appears to be some peoples preferred option.
But look at the number of people who have sadly died who already had some underlying probably fatal condition already? Covid is now the 31st most fatal illness/disease in Wales. If we take out those with underlying conditions how any would have died?

[Rjk]

https://twitter.com/SteveLawrence_/s...636597765?s=19

[blue matt]

https://twitter.com/SteveLawrence_/s...636597765?s=19

the EU are surely just behind the curve of the UK though, its just a matter of time before they catch up when Delta takes hold ( it isnt like it isnt in the EU yet )

[City123]

2 in 3 Welsh adults have had both doses of a vaccine according to PHW

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2 in 3 Welsh adults have had both doses of a vaccine according to PHW

67.2% according to the UK covid stats page so a little more than 2 in 3 adults. 89.6% have had first dose.

But the more it's out there the worse the risk of long covid or mutations.

Vaccination centres in Wales to open for walk-ins with no appointment from Saturday
Young adults in particular are being encouraged to attend: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/h...-walk-20952122

[ToTaL ITK]

if you are in the 2% that get it hard i feel sorry for you. Not much can be done tbh to help those that have had both jabs and still
get sick. science will hopefully help us

[life on mars]

We need to lockdown ..

[Wash DC Blue]

The Difference in the USA are massive and its been very interesting watching how they have dealt with getting life back to normal ( I must admit My following has been very Orlando / Florida based )

Last night, fireworks returned to Walt disney world ( i watched a live stream of it, Im that sad ) but the crowds were stood shoulder to shoulder with no masks ,it was honestly like it was 2 years ago, yet on Good morning Britain they were discussing that people shouldnt go to pubs to watch the England game tomorrow due to the risk of spreading C19

Pretty much the last month has been back to normal in a domestic basis.

I had my 2nd Pfizer vaccine 2 weeks after the first.

No masks in bars, restaurants or stores.
It was odd going to the mall initially with some big retailers saying no masks if you are vaccinated and other more boutique stores requiring them.

It will be back to normal for me, when I can get back to Wales with no bother.

[Des Parrot]

Pretty much the last month has been back to normal in a domestic basis.

I had my 2nd Pfizer vaccine 2 weeks after the first.

No masks in bars, restaurants or stores.
It was odd going to the mall initially with some big retailers saying no masks if you are vaccinated and other more boutique stores requiring them.

It will be back to normal for me, when I can get back to Wales with no bother.

95% of the people in this resort ( in St.Lucia ) are American, I’ve spoken to quite a few, from various states and there seems to be a split between the metropolitan (masks) and rural (no mask) approach. You have to be double vaccinated by at least 14 days to be here. The only place masks are compulsory if you go to the buffet but off resort the rules are still strict & there’s a curfew in place.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

95% of the people in this resort ( in St.Lucia ) are American, I’ve spoken to quite a few, from various states and there seems to be a split between the metropolitan (masks) and rural (no mask) approach. You have to be double vaccinated by at least 14 days to be here. The only place masks are compulsory if you go to the buffet but off resort the rules are still strict & there’s a curfew in place.

Americans there must be wearing masks for most of the day then...

[blue matt]

Pretty much the last month has been back to normal in a domestic basis.

I had my 2nd Pfizer vaccine 2 weeks after the first.

No masks in bars, restaurants or stores.
It was odd going to the mall initially with some big retailers saying no masks if you are vaccinated and other more boutique stores requiring them.

It will be back to normal for me, when I can get back to Wales with no bother.

it truly is back to normal in Orlando, saw a Vlogger in flying from Orlando to So Cal, MCO was the busiest ive ever seen, 4th July holiday, so it was rammed

[Michael Morris]

No Covid in SW19. Large crowds on Centre and No.1 courts, barely a mask in sight. Fans in and out of their seats with pints and Pimms.

40K or more at Wembley the other night with the second in line to the throne, his wife and son in attendance also without masks.

I'm all for opening up again and get frustrated with the hypocrisy and scaremongering. Why don't we see daily figures for all deaths, for all infections? Why don't we have a slide that shows the amount of people in Wales with Covid who are in hospital would fit on one of Tony's busses.

No figures revealed from hundreds of test events where it's thought about 28 people from tens of thousands tested positive. Yet Scotland fans blamed for causing two thousand cases because they went to London. That doesn't make sense.

online news feeds say we can go away, we can't go away, we can open up, we can't open up.

It's really affecting the mental health of a lot of people.

Time to get on with things.

[blue matt]

No Covid in SW19. Large crowds on Centre and No.1 courts, barely a mask in sight. Fans in and out of their seats with pints and Pimms.

40K or more at Wembley the other night with the second in line to the throne, his wife and son in attendance also without masks.

I'm all for opening up again and get frustrated with the hypocrisy and scaremongering. Why don't we see daily figures for all deaths, for all infections? Why don't we have a slide that shows the amount of people in Wales with Covid who are in hospital would fit on one of Tony's busses.

No figures revealed from hundreds of test events where it's thought about 28 people from tens of thousands tested positive. Yet Scotland fans blamed for causing two thousand cases because they went to London. That doesn't make sense.

online news feeds say we can go away, we can't go away, we can open up, we can't open up.

It's really affecting the mental health of a lot of people.

Time to get on with things.

I read a thread on here asking for Drakeford to let fans into CCS in Aug, I honestly didnt realise they couldnt, 60 K in Wembley soon

As you say, lets get back to life, the vac is doing its job of keeping people out of hospital

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The NHS website still lists the following as symptoms which will allow you to book a PCR test:

- a high temperature
- a new, continuous cough
- a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste

It appears that the Delta Variant has different presenting symptoms though so we could easily be missing lots of cases, but equally it does appear link between virus and death seems to have been broken. Most recognise that it's new territory (the end of bad covid in the UK?) but we should still be concerned about abroad (how many people will suffer abroad where vaccines haven't reached, what happens if new variant resistant to vaccines?), long covid and how much has been put on hold throughout covid restrictions.

Are we still going to wear masks indoors and avoid cramped, enclosed spaces? Is that going to return in the winter to help reduce spread of other viruses?