Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[goats]

they have had much more experience of this than we have: SARS, MERS and so on. Its hardly surprising they are better prepared.

Exactly my point, ridiculous to try and compare us

[goats]

I'm definitely not saying a labour government wouldn't have the same mistakes. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an enquiry held into our response nor does it mean the government shouldn't be held accountable for what they've done. I'm also being genuine when I say previous tory governments wouldn't have botched it as bad as this one, it is genuinley the worst cabinet we've ever had by a distance.

The jobs for the boys and handing out billions to mates for track and trace etc is one of the biggest crimes going.

Let’s hope it comes out about contracts for mates etc and then pay for the crimes......

[lardy]

they have had much more experience of this than we have: SARS, MERS and so on. Its hardly surprising they are better prepared.

Culturally, the citizens are better prepared. I don't believe the governments necessarily were.

[lardy]

I think in respect of closing the borders the government were on a sticky wicket. close the borders and end up with none or significantly fewer cases and the public will complain of overkill. Keep the borders open and see what happens has allowed the virus to spread.

I read an article yesterday where a professor at some London Hospital had suggested that the NHS had been underfunded since the mid 70s, so this issue transcends the political spectrum

We'll have a public enquiry post pandemic, lessons will be learned, and one of them hopefully is we need to be a little but more appreciative of both public and private healthcare provision here in the UK. Its amongst the best in the world. Another lesson learned would be to delegate immediate executive authority to the chief medical officer so decisions are based solely on science and not political expediency.

I agree that closing borders would have gone down badly with lots of the population. People needed better education about worst case scenarios.

It probably didn't help that for decades, kids have seen studying science in school as a dweeb option.

[Feedback]

Really, I thought the Prime Minister was an elected politician though his cabinet wasn't. Even so the idea of the Chief Scientific Officer instructing the Prime Minister and Parliament to implement a set of restrictive measures is totally unrealistic.

Monti was (one of the very few) appointed to the senate and was not elected.

My point was that in times of national crisis, we need a mechanism whereby science trumps politics so decisions are based on contemporaneous medical thinking, and not how matters may look come the next election. whatever that mechanism is is up for debate.

[Feedback]

Culturally, the citizens are better prepared. I don't believe the governments necessarily were.

I have read that the people of China Proper (aka Taiwan), South Korea and Japan all readily wear face coverings if they are unwell, even outside this pandemic. Its just take as read that you keep your bugs to yourself.

[lardy]

I have read that the people of China Proper (aka Taiwan), South Korea and Japan all readily wear face coverings if they are unwell, even outside this pandemic. Its just take as read that you keep your bugs to yourself.

Yep, it's also true of people in Outer China. Locals also wear face masks in the cities when pollution is bad.

Masks were one of the things I had in mind with the cultural difference. Also they are less likely to feel they have to rebel against government advice, unlike the western libertarians.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Yep, it's also true of people in Outer China. Locals also wear face masks in the cities when pollution is bad.

Masks were one of the things I had in mind with the cultural difference. Also they are less likely to feel they have to rebel against government advice, unlike the western libertarians.

Indeed. They are more compliant societies.

[Vindec]

We do need to be careful when making international comparisons as the practices of recording deaths varies from country to country. An ONS report

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...uarytojune2020

confirmed this by stating:

"Given the widely differing practices between countries in recording and reporting deaths relating to COVID-19 it is not possible at this time to conduct accurate international comparisons of deaths involving COVID-19 specifically."

What we can say is that the situation in the UK is very bad and has not been handled well apart from the vaccine rollout which has been exemplary.

[Feedback]

We do need to be careful when making international comparisons as the practices of recording deaths varies from country to country. An ONS report

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...uarytojune2020

confirmed this by stating:

"Given the widely differing practices between countries in recording and reporting deaths relating to COVID-19 it is not possible at this time to conduct accurate international comparisons of deaths involving COVID-19 specifically."

What we can say is that the situation in the UK is very bad and has not been handled well apart from the vaccine rollout which has been exemplary.

you're not suggesting Mainland Taiwan is prone to under reporting its figures?

[Croesy Blue]

We do need to be careful when making international comparisons as the practices of recording deaths varies from country to country. An ONS report

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...uarytojune2020

confirmed this by stating:

"Given the widely differing practices between countries in recording and reporting deaths relating to COVID-19 it is not possible at this time to conduct accurate international comparisons of deaths involving COVID-19 specifically."

What we can say is that the situation in the UK is very bad and has not been handled well apart from the vaccine rollout which has been exemplary.

Can we not just look at excess deaths though?

[goats]

you're wrong

It would be funny to have a message board meet up after all this calms down, if only to put some usernames to faces I’m sure we’d all get along just fine....with plenty of things to chat and laugh about. I owe Matt a few pints anyway for his Disney info service....

[xsnaggle]

It would be funny to have a message board meet up after all this calms down, if only to put some usernames to faces I’m sure we’d all get along just fine....with plenty of things to chat and laugh about. I owe Matt a few pints anyway for his Disney info service....

In Beddau?

[Rjk]

I have read that the people of China Proper (aka Taiwan), South Korea and Japan all readily wear face coverings if they are unwell, even outside this pandemic. Its just take as read that you keep your bugs to yourself.

yes and the same in the rest of.china, Hong Kong etc.
plenty of people also wear them just to avoid getting colds and flus as well.

[goats]

In Beddau?

Any****ingwhere!

[xsnaggle]

Any****ingwhere!

Are you sure?you don't wnat to go anywhere near Beddau on a sunday morning. It's dangerous!!!

[goats]

Are you sure?you don't wnat to go anywhere near Beddau on a sunday morning. It's dangerous!!!

I’m not even sure where it is.....we will be fine with delmbo, croesy and the youngsters to take care of any local yoofs

[xsnaggle]

I’m not even sure where it is.....we will be fine with delmbo, croesy and the youngsters to take care of any local yoofs

lol They're the ones you have to watch out for in Beddau!!!

[Heisenberg]

I’m not even sure where it is.....we will be fine with delmbo, croesy and the youngsters to take care of any local yoofs

It's Welsh for Boudoir - which is French for bedroom.

You kinky bitch.

[Jordi Culé]

In Beddau?

[Jordi Culé]

There have been some basic mistakes :

Firstly an ill prepared health service. Lack of PPE, lack of specialist equipment, lack of capacity. An organisation now ruled by bureaucracy and slow to react. There is no doubt the service needs more money and an organisational overall.

Secondly...Reluctance to act fast on lockdowns, then easing them too quickly, coupled with lax compliance by sectors of the public, modest punishment for rule breakers, plus a soft touch police force. A four nations approach caused confusion.

Third....muddled thinking...politics v science...created some big mistakes...care home residents returning after hospitalisation without tests, an inadequate track and trace system, delay in insistence on mask wearing, airports open etc

The one big plus for me is the speed in which we procured vaccines, and in quantity

His “basic mistakes” were the fundamental reasons we found ourselves in the position we are.

The “big plus... the speed in which we procured vaccines...”

Bit like getting a shot of penicillin after you caught the fuucking clap.

For a lad who has avast experience of the medical industry, you have a skewed strategy in these things. I thought prevention was better than cure?

[xsnaggle]

His “basic mistakes” were the fundamental reasons we found ourselves in the position we are.

The “big plus... the speed in which we procured vaccines...”

Bit like getting a shot of penicillin after you caught the fuucking clap.

For a lad who has avast experience of the medical industry, you have a skewed strategy in these things. I thought prevention was better than cure?

you'd probably have enjoyed the actual act of getting the clap though.

[lisvaneblue]

[QUOTE=Jordi Culé;5162621]His “basic mistakes” were the fundamental reasons we found ourselves in the position we are.

The “big plus... the speed in which we procured vaccines...”

Bit like getting a shot of penicillin after you caught the fuucking clap.

For a lad who has avast experience of the medical industry, you have a skewed strategy in these things. I thought prevention was better than cure?[/QUOTE]


I think you missed the point. The vaccine does prevent it.

[Jordi Culé]

[QUOTE=lisvaneblue;5162704]

His “basic mistakes” were the fundamental reasons we found ourselves in the position we are.

The “big plus... the speed in which we procured vaccines...”

Bit like getting a shot of penicillin after you caught the fuucking clap.

For a lad who has avast experience of the medical industry, you have a skewed strategy in these things. I thought prevention was better than cure?[/QUOTE]


I think you missed the point. The vaccine does prevent it.

Fair point and I stand corrected, although I’m right in thinking receiving the one of the vaccines doesn’t stop the virus being caught by the individual and vaccinated persons can still spread the virus about?

[Jordi Culé]

“Basic mistakes...”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ummings-scheme