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And now you dont believe a word as hes criticising the bufoon and outside the govt.Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Everyone moans about the Government of the day as a matter of course, but I honestly haven't seen a more useless bunch than this lot - their political judgement is appalling. So many of the things they've got slaughtered for over the past eighteen months and more have been self inflicted.
as he stated there are many witnesses to these actions
Didn’t believe a word he said before or after….a massive cnut if ever there was one
I never expressed an opinion in the first place.
Like he told Jeremy hunt in his evidence to a committee that he would produce all the documents to back up his statement and has produced nothing.
so which part of what he said do you believe to be untrue?
Out of interest, who would you believe out of Johnson and Cummings?
I’d go for Cummings if we were talking about his testimony to that committee, but, beyond that, I think I’d pass.
Tony Blair has been the only voice of reason in all this .
Tables wiped and hand gel good for improving hygiene and reducing the spread of general infections; social distancing and ventilation good for reducing spread of general infections and covid; mask wearing potentially falling into former group but current thinking is falls into latter group.It's incredible too me that 18 months in to this pandemic so many businesses still do not understand the need for ventilation.
****ing see it all the time. Tables wiped, visors on, hand wash by the door - all the things which we know don't make much difference. And then they close the windows and doors.
I don't even really blame the businesses. It's the fault of government for failing to batter home the message of hope this thing works dynamically - changing with our understanding of it.
It's not even a complex message: inside bad, outside good, the more ventilation the better. A child could understand. And yet we have somehow failed to communicate it.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1416773958792323080
Effective messaging, compliance* and vaccine uptake will put us in as strong a position as possible.
*partially personal responsibility, partially government support.
Tweet shared from English source so speaking about England health.
Introduce vaccine passports for double jab.( to activate / motivate those who are hesitant)
Masks in public places remain in law .
Once we're are a 90% vaccine population the better .
Allow double jabbed people not have to isolate, and remove all restrictions for them when pinged .
Remove social distances and adjust the app accordingly.
Let NHS return to work and ignore NHS pings , however enable daily lateral flow test and include public transport , all forms of hospitality and supermarket workers.
Advise to still apply the 2 meter , were masks do as they are now .
Sorry ,most of above are Blairs ideas.
Difficult one.
Just shows what a complete shambles this govt is.
probably all of it, he has a personal agendum. But the same could be said for him and for any politician, you know they are lying if their mouths are moving.
probably all of it, he has a personal agendum. But the same could be said for him and for any politician, you know they are lying if their mouths are moving.
lets be honest, most said Cummings was a Liar over the years, now he is acting like a Bitter Jilted Psycho ex-girlfriend he becomes even more of a liability for the truth, but he is now a friend of any left leaning person, the truth doesnt matter to them for political point scoring
It's interesting to look back just over a year at the thread about Cummings' appearance in front of the media in which he tried to explain away his jaunt to Barnard's Castle and to how those posters who defend the current UK Government responded at the time;-
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...minic+cummings
To be fair to someone like Vindec, he was very clear in his opinion that Cummings had to go and that was the impression I got from Elwood as well. There were some others who put their heads above the parapet to offer what seemed to me a somewhat half hearted defence of the man and then there were people like you who, presumably, to use a phrase that appeared in the thread, wanted the whole thing to "blow over".
Strange now then that you and one or two others are adamant that Cummings is a liar and always has been and yet you were unwilling to be so outspoken about him last year when Johnson, and many in his party, were insisting there was nothing wrong in the way he behaved.
Why should this be? Was your silence last year down to the fact that Cummings was on the inside of a Conservative Government then and so had to be protected accordingly?
Do you really believe that Cummings just made up everything he said in his testimony to that Committee of MPs back in May?
How about the farce yesterday, whereby the PM and Chancellor were exempt from isolation, then they weren't and then Johnson "explained" it away by claiming he had briefly considered () claiming an exemption because he was part of some scheme that was unheard of until yesterday, but thought better of it - that might have worked were it not for the fact that it had been announced he and Sunak were exempt hours earlier.
You're in no position to lecture those of us on the left about supporting Cummings. Based on what I've seen and read, people know what Cummings is, but look at his testimony in May and think, in this instance, there is a ring of truth to it. You're probably one of those Conservatives who trot out the line about people in the south Wales valleys voting for anything that wears a red rosette, but your actions, or, to be more exact, inaction over the past year marks you out as someone who does the same as long as long as the rosette is blue.
what are they protesting?
If you're going to remove legal restrictions then clear messaging to ensure good understanding matters. Can anyone work out the theory behind this one?Boris Johnson warns of "continuing risk" posed by nightclubs as he says from September clubbers will have to be double vaccinated to attend.
By that's 8 weeks away - will surely face questions over wisdom of allowing them to open today?
PM says 3 million of 18-30 age group have yet to take up their vaccine offer. Hope in govt is that nightclub vaccine passport plan will boost take-up.
Chief Scientist Patrick Vallance says that nightclubs can be "super spreader events".
He adds: "I would expect we will continue to see an increase in cases."
Again, it's not even 18 hours since they opened them.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/stat...56810855919620
Dirty nightclubbing youngsters to be blamed for the next lockdown, a useful tool to deflect blame from his government's repeated failings
Thanks for acknowledging the fact that I said Cummings should have gone from the outset. I call things out as I see them but that can't be said for everyone.Leaving the Cummings issue aside, the points you make can in general just as easily be attributed to those who vote Labour as well as Conservative on the various threads that appear on these pages. As I see it the difference is that some people vote for political parties at elections based on their policies at the time; they do not always vote for a Party because that is the only way they have always voted. There is very little criticism of Starmer on these pages but after more than a year as Leader I still haven't the foggiest what he stands for but as a contributor on here I feel there is absolutely no point in making any points about his performance as I will only get shouted down. Life is too short. My guess is that others who don't follow the views of the majority on here feel the same.It's interesting to look back just over a year at the thread about Cummings' appearance in front of the media in which he tried to explain away his jaunt to Barnard's Castle and to how those posters who defend the current UK Government responded at the time;-
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...minic+cummings
To be fair to someone like Vindec, he was very clear in his opinion that Cummings had to go and that was the impression I got from Elwood as well. There were some others who put their heads above the parapet to offer what seemed to me a somewhat half hearted defence of the man and then there were people like you who, presumably, to use a phrase that appeared in the thread, wanted the whole thing to "blow over".
Strange now then that you and one or two others are adamant that Cummings is a liar and always has been and yet you were unwilling to be so outspoken about him last year when Johnson, and many in his party, were insisting there was nothing wrong in the way he behaved.
Why should this be? Was your silence last year down to the fact that Cummings was on the inside of a Conservative Government then and so had to be protected accordingly?
Do you really believe that Cummings just made up everything he said in his testimony to that Committee of MPs back in May?
How about the farce yesterday, whereby the PM and Chancellor were exempt from isolation, then they weren't and then Johnson "explained" it away by claiming he had briefly considered (
You're in no position to lecture those of us on the left about supporting Cummings. Based on what I've seen and read, people know what Cummings is, but look at his testimony in May and think, in this instance, there is a ring of truth to it. You're probably one of those Conservatives who trot out the line about people in the south Wales valleys voting for anything that wears a red rosette, but your actions, or, to be more exact, inaction over the past year marks you out as someone who does the same as long as long as the rosette is blue.
I know it's hard to accept, but for many voters had two choices at the last election - Corbyn (potentially dangerous with a radical following) or the buffoon Johnson. Johnson came out on top as the least worst option but what I don't get is that left leaning contributors always seem to decry those who voted differently.
As far as I'm concerned I believe that Johnson will have to resign if this idiotic relaxation of the COVID restrictions results in hospitals getting swamped with COVID patients. That is not a view based on politics but is based on how I feel. I will happily criticise anyone, irrespective of political allegiance, if I happen to disagree with them.
I don’t think many defended the twat did they? Moreover, what happened to Heisenberg, ccfc3po and Wales bales? The latter two ripe for being multis mindIt's interesting to look back just over a year at the thread about Cummings' appearance in front of the media in which he tried to explain away his jaunt to Barnard's Castle and to how those posters who defend the current UK Government responded at the time;-
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...minic+cummings
To be fair to someone like Vindec, he was very clear in his opinion that Cummings had to go and that was the impression I got from Elwood as well. There were some others who put their heads above the parapet to offer what seemed to me a somewhat half hearted defence of the man and then there were people like you who, presumably, to use a phrase that appeared in the thread, wanted the whole thing to "blow over".
Strange now then that you and one or two others are adamant that Cummings is a liar and always has been and yet you were unwilling to be so outspoken about him last year when Johnson, and many in his party, were insisting there was nothing wrong in the way he behaved.
Why should this be? Was your silence last year down to the fact that Cummings was on the inside of a Conservative Government then and so had to be protected accordingly?
Do you really believe that Cummings just made up everything he said in his testimony to that Committee of MPs back in May?
How about the farce yesterday, whereby the PM and Chancellor were exempt from isolation, then they weren't and then Johnson "explained" it away by claiming he had briefly considered (
You're in no position to lecture those of us on the left about supporting Cummings. Based on what I've seen and read, people know what Cummings is, but look at his testimony in May and think, in this instance, there is a ring of truth to it. You're probably one of those Conservatives who trot out the line about people in the south Wales valleys voting for anything that wears a red rosette, but your actions, or, to be more exact, inaction over the past year marks you out as someone who does the same as long as long as the rosette is blue.
Over 60% of the people in hospital with COVID infection have not had even a first dose of vaccine. Begs the question why not? Something for our statisticians to take a look at I think.
Heisenberg asked for his account to be deleted because of the moderation on here.
More a job for the behavioural psychologists, although the vaccine uptake in the young will probably shoot up in order to get a 'nightclub' passport.
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