Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Heathblue]

Data is a 4 days old, but giving a %age of the population gives a little more context as to how each country
is managing the outbreak.
I think it has been (Sweden defo) and Brazil who have used the herd approach.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

[Croesy Blue]

Data is a 4 days old, but giving a %age of the population gives a little more context as to how each country
is managing the outbreak.
I think it has been (Sweden defo) and Brazil who have used the herd approach.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/

Sweden it’s too early to tell but my Swedish colleague thinks it might work because they’re a lot less social than a lot of other European countries.

Brazil are the first Southern Hemisphere country to have 1000+ deaths. It could go badly for them.

[Hilts]

Gove out of isolation after Chris Whiity gives permission for his Daughter to be tested.

[Croesy Blue]

That’s how Walesbales is always on here, he’s already making shit loads from computers!

[Wales-Bales]

That’s how Walesbales is always on here, he’s already making shit loads from computers!

Well you could say that

[tell it like it is]

Yes, as in the Johnson interview on This Morning where he outlined the pros of herd immunity and then said "but I disagree with that".

The sooner we can get back to talking about Cardiff City the better.

[trampie09]

We should have learnt off other countries, we had a few weeks grace and wasted it, right wing austerity measures over many years is going to cost us dear unfortunately.

[tell it like it is]

Different countries have different scenarios though, can't ignore that - it's not one size fits all.

[trampie09]

Different countries have different scenarios though, can't ignore that - it's not one size fits all.

Indeed not all other countries had many years of right wing austerity measures decimating their health service.

[tell it like it is]

Indeed not all other countries had many years of right wing austerity measures decimating their health service.

So you're saying every nation has exactly the same demographics, population densities etc?

Perhaps you can point out to all those NHS equivalents in the world that aren't insurance based?

[Rjk]

So you're saying every nation has exactly the same demographics, population densities etc?

Perhaps you can point out to all those NHS equivalents in the world that aren't insurance based?

Why would whether a healthcare system is funded through taxation or insurance have any bearing on how it handles a pandemic?

[tell it like it is]

Why would whether a healthcare system is funded through taxation or insurance have any bearing on how it handles a pandemic?

I'm pointing out he's not comparing like with like. Some can get close, sure, but still differences.

[trampie09]

So you're saying every nation has exactly the same demographics, population densities etc?

Perhaps you can point out to all those NHS equivalents in the world that aren't insurance based?

Good God no, look at Wales we have an old population exacubated by immigrants from England who tend to be old and a drain on our Welsh NHS and our services, we don't get compensated by the English NHS for taking their oldies, the Barnet formula is not fit for purpose.

[tell it like it is]

Good God no, look at Wales we have an old population exacubated by immigrants from England who tend to be old and a drain on our Welsh NHS and our services, we don't get compensated by the English NHS for taking their oldies, the Barnet formula is not fit for purpose.

Agree the Barnett formula isn't fit for purpose, Scotland get far more than should, England far less on a per head from last info I saw a few years ago.

Blaming the English? Seriously?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Agree the Barnett formula isn't fit for purpose, Scotland get far more than should, England far less on a per head from last info I saw a few years ago.

Blaming the English? Seriously?

Without getting unduly personal, I think it fair to say that anti-English sentiment is a very common theme from trampie.

[Croesy Blue]

So you're saying every nation has exactly the same demographics, population densities etc?

Perhaps you can point out to all those NHS equivalents in the world that aren't insurance based?

Why not just look at the similar ones? Do you think the U.K. is different enough to Spain, Italy and France that we couldn’t have looked to them and considered it might happen to us ?

Our medical experts were certainly advising us so.

[trampie09]

Agree the Barnett formula isn't fit for purpose, Scotland get far more than should, England far less on a per head from last info I saw a few years ago.

Blaming the English? Seriously?

I can only remember one incident where England didn't get its way and that was when they wanted us to go to war again in Iraq, the Celts for once had the numbers to just about vote them down but normally due to weight of numbers what England wants England gets, the union state is failing us and they are not for turning, Germanic queen, right wing policies, state religion in England, unelected political chamber etc etc.
What have we got by been lumped in with them ? - zero hour contracts, minimum wage jobs, austerity blah blah blah.

[trampie09]

I've no issue with the English Taunton, I've told you before but I call a spade a spade, l like Frank Lampard, Cherie Lunghie and Yokshire pudding you can't say fairer than that butt.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I've no issue with the English Taunton, I've told you before but I call a spade a spade, l like Frank Lampard, Cherie Lunghie and Yokshire pudding you can't say fairer than that butt.

All on the same plate?

[trampie09]

We will see the same splits between advisors and government soon I think. Politicians have been using their medical and scientific advisors as cover for poor decision making.

Would be interested to hear from Wales Bales as in the politics forum thread he was unequivocally against an earlier shut down and frequently using statements from Fauci to explain why.

I seen a programme of experts the other day and they seemed to be saying the UK Government have the wrong kind of advisors, they have been using modellers or summit and not medical experts on the ground.

[the other bob wilson]

Just to say that for those who were unaware of this news, you should expect the deaths figure today to be above the thousand mark for the first time and, probably, well over it. I say that because figures issued by the ONS an hour or so ago show a total of 406 additional deaths consisting of 217 in care homes (ten times the previous figure), 33 in hospices, 136 in private homes, 3 in other communal homes and 17 elsewhere and this is only up to 3 April. When you add in the bump often seen after lower weekend figures, a number anything like the ones seen in the last couple of days (below 800) would be incredible.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Don't know what the fuss is about. It's just like seasonal flu like they said!

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/stat...07002165755905

[xsnaggle]

Just to say that for those who were unaware of this news, you should expect the deaths figure today to be above the thousand mark for the first time and, probably, well over it. I say that because figures issued by the ONS an hour or so ago show a total of 406 additional deaths consisting of 217 in care homes (ten times the previous figure), 33 in hospices, 136 in private homes, 3 in other communal homes and 17 elsewhere and this is only up to 3 April. When you add in the bump often seen after lower weekend figures, a number anything like the ones seen in the last couple of days (below 800) would be incredible.

Understand what you mean but the ONS figures are published weekly and are completely seperate from the Hospital daily figures issed by the government. These are used to keep in line with other countries reporting the same, but also because they are readily availabe, the ONS figures take time to collate. What we need to look at is todays figure, then see the difference.
I think the spike won't show until tomorrow because the figures today will only be up to 5 PM yeaterday when the holiday was still affecting reporting. The adjusting will be the figures reported tomorrow which are up to 5 PM yesterday.
But then you have to add up all the new figures from Friday to today and devide by 4 to get the daily mean. It will probably still be higher

[Veg1960]

Understand what you mean but the ONS figures are published weekly and are completely seperate from the Hospital daily figures issed by the government. These are used to keep in line with other countries reporting the same, but also because they are readily availabe, the ONS figures take time to collate. What we need to look at is todays figure, then see the difference.
I think the spike won't show until tomorrow because the figures today will only be up to 5 PM yeaterday when the holiday was still affecting reporting. The adjusting will be the figures reported tomorrow which are up to 5 PM yesterday.
But then you have to add up all the new figures from Friday to today and devide by 4 to get the daily mean. It will probably still be higher

There are graphs showing a rolling 7 day average here

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

Not sure if the UK curve is just based on hospital deaths though

[the other bob wilson]

Understand what you mean but the ONS figures are published weekly and are completely seperate from the Hospital daily figures issed by the government. These are used to keep in line with other countries reporting the same, but also because they are readily availabe, the ONS figures take time to collate. What we need to look at is todays figure, then see the difference.
I think the spike won't show until tomorrow because the figures today will only be up to 5 PM yeaterday when the holiday was still affecting reporting. The adjusting will be the figures reported tomorrow which are up to 5 PM yesterday.
But then you have to add up all the new figures from Friday to today and devide by 4 to get the daily mean. It will probably still be higher

Yes, on reflection you may well be right - I seem to remember Wednesday's as the worst day normally now. I think in the past they have just added all of the additional figures on to one day, but I might be wrong in believing that.