Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[xsnaggle]

A thingh on wlaes update now about S Wales police tweeting queues outside a B&Q supermarket and qquestioning if the shopping is essential. It may not be food but it may be essensial for well-being and distraction from being locked it!!!!!

I'm worried that these new levels of restrictions will give the police the excuse to be more draconian and heavy handed with basically good citizens ( we will make something up - who are they going to believe?) and that will make people very anti and less inclined to keep to the rules

[surge]

In Ireland the rules around exercising are as follows:

- to exercise within 2 kilometres of your house. You cannot exercise with people from outside your household
(https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf...ther-spread-o/)

Again, other nations are providing a lot clearer advice than we're getting but at least Senedd is edging towards that sort of clarity.

[goats]

Sounds like next faze of the lockdown will allow small groups of different households to get together....might aswell as plenty are doing this anyway, partic families whose parents have long split up and want to share the kids.

[tell it like it is]

Sounds like next faze of the lockdown will allow small groups of different households to get together....might aswell as plenty are doing this anyway, partic families whose parents have long split up and want to share the kids.

Next phase will be delayed due to London dickheads congregating on Westminster Bridge to applaud NHS whilst filing to take any precautions or social distance, with police joining in.

Others will then turn round and copy that dumb behaviours...

Well done Sadiq and Cressida!

[goats]

Next phase will be delayed due to London dickheads congregating on Westminster Bridge to applaud NHS whilst filing to take any precautions or social distance, with police joining in.

Others will then turn round and copy that dumb behaviours...

Well done Sadiq and Cressida!

We will be doing our own thing here if them over the bridge dont play by the rules.....looks like new cases level around 250 is where we were coming up around the 31st March, it took two weeks to get there from mid march when there were no cases so hopefully another 2 weeks will see it fall away to mid March levels as predicted back then.

[surge]

Telegraph front page announcing 2 week quarantine for those travelling into the UK. This is something other countries put in place what feels like months ago - why does it take the UK so much longer to take action?

[Eric Cartman]

Next phase will be delayed due to London dickheads congregating on Westminster Bridge to applaud NHS whilst filing to take any precautions or social distance, with police joining in.

Others will then turn round and copy that dumb behaviours...

Well done Sadiq and Cressida!

What did Sadiq do?

[the other bob wilson]

What did Sadiq do?

Join the Labour party.

[tell it like it is]

Join the Labour party.

One of many flaws.

I'd have thought given the increasing number of idiots gathering there Thursday evenings, closing the bridge then would prevent social distancing being flouted.

Then again, Khan was the guy who felt it appropriate to cut the number of tube carriages meaning even though less people were on the trains, social distancing was ****ed as people jammed in...

[Jordi Culé]

One of many flaws.

I'd have thought given the increasing number of idiots gathering there Thursday evenings, closing the bridge then would prevent social distancing being flouted.

Then again, Khan was the guy who felt it appropriate to cut the number of tube carriages meaning even though less people were on the trains, social distancing was ****ed as people jammed in...

Perhaps Khan was encouraging 'Herd Immunity' without actually stating it?

It was all the rage back in late March.

[adz-a32]

What did Sadiq do?

Be brown

[Jordi Culé]

Boris is back on duty tomorrow and raring to go.

We can all rest easy, he’s got this covered.

Hurrah

[surge]

Fascinating disconnect between people's perceptions of the UK from inside and outside. Inside, the coverage is mostly serious but calm. And yet anyone I know following coverage of the UK from outside is frightened and outraged by what has happened. Commentators I've appeared on shows with - from hard left to hard right - based outside the UK are aghast at what has happened here. My uncle in Guatemala - a country which is about as ****ed as you can get & currently under curfew - called up my mum in a panic after seeing a TV report about the UK.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1254056076552650754

It's quite incredible, although I would substitute 'tame' for 'calm'. All the more disgusting that the government is trying to disparage coverage that is already calm/tame/mild in comparison to that of objective outside observers.

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status...57219076825089

This government has lacked transparency and honesty since it started the Brexit campaign - not a criticism of the idea of/need for Brexit, just the campaign that succeeded in the referendum and government it later formed - and UK is seeing its soft power status around the wold weaken because of it, not to mention the thousands of lives already lost within the UK.

[IanD]

Birmingham Nightingale. As with London, not enough staff to make it work. NHS staff are being concentrated in hospitals, shunting away cancer patients, for example, to keep the HDUs going. A year on there will be a lot of passing the buck when it comes to the real numbers who die of CV, in hospitals, care homes, hospices, at home and those who have not suffered from CV but didnt get the treatment needed due to political expediency.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-52430855

[goats]

What’s all the fuss about eh? It will be gone soon anyway......

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ims-professor/

[Wales-Bales]

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation

[surge]

Toby Helm is the Observer's Political Editor:

Downing Street trying to get us to say trust in government not declining and to rewrite this story with new headline. Request refused. We are not edited by Downing Street.

I am told Downing Street also barred Sunday Times from asking questions at its briefing because they dared to criticise govt's response to Coronavirus. Surely not so in an advanced democracy.

I am also told that if any other newspaper helped the Sunday Times they would be barred from asking questions at the briefing too. Surely none of this can be true.

Of course we should be asking who has told them this, but don't forget that "The Fidesz government has been accused of "silencing media" and controlling all major media outlets in Hungary, thus creating an echo chamber that has excluded alternative political voices."

[Croesy Blue]

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent,

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent

This jumps out at me from that article. That’s terrifying still isn’t it?

You wouldn’t do anything else that gave you a 1 in 10,000 chance of death.

All this while social distancing is going on too.

Then this:

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent

So if we let the whole country get it and the hospitals could cope we’d end up, on best estimate, with 65,000 dead. And that rate is based on social distancing too.


Then this bit

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.

Why not give the rate for 45-75? Is it because it wouldn’t fit the its not that bad narrative?

It would have been better to have had a better response earlier but since we can surely 2 or 3 months pain to get this under control is better than letting a lot of people die?

[the other bob wilson]

An article I read yesterday on the Observer website talked about concerns in the scientific community that the new cases per day figure is stubbornly refusing to drop by the expected amounts as the "levelling off" period enters another week. The Government's scientists, reasonably, make the point that the increase in number of tests per day of around 50 to 70 per cent seen in the last week to ten days has to mean that the daily number of new cases would rise, the fact that these figures have tended to remain at the levels of a fortnight ago is, effectively, proof that the number of new cases per day is declining.

However, isn't that defence really just an admission of the inadequacies of the earlier approach? Much fuss was made of the 20,000 deaths figure being passed on Saturday, but, again, that figure is recognised as being a false one now because it is for hospital deaths only - the real truth is that the 20,000 figure had been reached days earlier. About three weeks ago, a projection showing as many as 66,000 deaths in the UK (more than three times as many as any other European country). Due to them constantly over estimating the daily death figure by hundreds, that 66,000 has been revised downwards now to 32,000 which would still make us the worst affected European country, but I'd say now that the very slight possibility exists for the first time that their figure may be an under estimate now - even if we only use the hospital deaths figure, more than a thousand people have been dying every two days for a few weeks now and, with any downturn in new cases only tending to be reflected in the deaths figures about a fortnight later, that trend could go on for a while yet.

[Wales-Bales]

The New York Times puts the death rate for flu at typically around 0.1% in the U.S.

[the other bob wilson]

The New York Times puts the death rate for flu at typically around 0.1% in the U.S.

Anyone else notice how people who describe themselves as "free thinkers" always say the same things?

[Croesy Blue]

The New York Times puts the death rate for flu at typically around 0.1% in the U.S.

Maybe go and read page 1 again about why the direct death rate isn’t the biggest issue.

Then consider that a 0.1% death rate during a lockdown maybe isn’t very good.

[Eric Cartman]

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation

This is not a new take. How do you cocoon the elderly/at risk? We haven't even managed to keep care homes safe. Until you can square that circle we are where we are.

[Wales-Bales]

This is not a new take. How do you cocoon the elderly/at risk? We haven't even managed to keep care homes safe. Until you can square that circle we are where we are.

If the global economy crashes people will die in the hundreds of millions. Until you can square that circle we are heading towards an unprecedented catastrophe of epic proportions.

[Wales-Bales]

This is not a new take. How do you cocoon the elderly/at risk? We haven't even managed to keep care homes safe. Until you can square that circle we are where we are.

It is a new take because it is based on factual data. Everything preceding it was conjecture at best.