Covid 19.....You are going to get it ....100%

[lisvaneblue]

I understand that the most relevant comparator of the impact of Covid-19 is the excess death rates against a 5 year average, which takes out any differences in methods of recording a Covid death of the type you describe.

The ONS has recently published an analysis of the all-cause mortality across European countries which includes breakdown for the different parts of the UK. Table 4 shows the percentage increase between England and Wales which is significant and help understanding of the relative success in managing the virus across the UK.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...uarytojune2020

It might help the understanding but is it valid as we are looking at 5% v the other 95%.

[Rjk]

It might help the understanding but is it valid as we are looking at 5% v the other 95%.

yes

[lisvaneblue]

yes

So why does the ONS data have deaths in Wales as 2491, nearly 1000 more than the official PHW data which is reported daily

[Rjk]

So why does the ONS data have deaths in Wales as 2491, nearly 1000 more than the official PHW data which is reported daily

and the equivalent figures for England?

[lisvaneblue]

and the equivalent figures for England?

It seems that the PHE data is comprehensive in that it includes hospital deaths, Public Health Protection team deaths, deaths in anyone that has had a lab confirmed test ( ie the man that got knocked down by a bus) plus ONS reported deaths.

PHW data is hospital and care home deaths only.

So the true figure for Wales to accurately compare to England is 2491 not 1565.

[Rjk]

It seems that the PHE data is comprehensive in that it includes hospital deaths, Public Health Protection team deaths, deaths in anyone that has had a lab confirmed test ( ie the man that got knocked down by a bus) plus ONS reported deaths.

PHW data is hospital and care home deaths only.

So the true figure for Wales to accurately compare to England is 2491 not 1565.

if you look at official covid deaths OR total excess deaths as a proportion of population for England and Wales the populations are statistically different with England being higher.

[cyril evans awaydays]

It might help the understanding but is it valid as we are looking at 5% v the other 95%.

Not quite sure the point you are making other than Wales is a smaller country with a much smaller population than England

These stats are the percentage increases for the whole population of England (84% of total UK) and the whole of Wales (5%) of UK. There is no more extrapolating or statistical margins of error to take into consideration as the official statisticians for the UK have taken the total official recorded deaths in a period and compared it with the most recent 5 year average.