Concerning news - S Korea

[CCFCC3PO]

It would help if the OP had cited the source of the story, rather than just copying and pasting

Fair point.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUKKCN21S15X

[ToTaL ITK]

Anyone seen The Road?
Because if this turns out to be the case we might be looking at years , not months.

[CCFCC3PO]

Anyone seen The Road?
Because if this turns out to be the case we might be looking at years , not months.

If there is no immunity, then it is difficult to see where this ends at the moment.

[CCFCC3PO]

If there is no immunity, then it is difficult to see where this ends at the moment.

Sorry, I should have said if there is no long-term immunity.

Again, these are a limited number of cases, and it'll be interesting to see the causes of the positive tests.

[dml1954]

Sorry, I should have said if there is no long-term immunity.

Again, these are a limited number of cases, and it'll be interesting to see the causes of the positive tests.

I have no problem with the original article you posted, although it would have been good to know its source at the time, which you later provided. It is the summing up paragraph at the end of your original post that I find unduly negative and doom laden. How anyone can arrive at that conclusion by relying on a sample of 91 cases from thousands is very difficult to understand. It is insignificant.

[CCFCC3PO]

I have no problem with the original article you posted, although it would have been good to know its source at the time, which you later provided. It is the summing up paragraph at the end of your original post that I find unduly negative and doom laden. How anyone can arrive at that conclusion by relying on a sample of 91 cases from thousands is very difficult to understand. It is insignificant.

It isn't insignificant because, as of yet, we don't have evidence of immunity en mass that makes it insignificant. The fact is, there is evidence that should question our belief that having this once means immunity. It may not be the case, and there is evidence it may not be the case. Note the word "may" there.

[Eric Cartman]

#ClapForCCFCC3PO

91 from how many hundreds of thousands is statistically insignificant, certainly within the margin of error for false positives - either in the first instance or now.

THAT is why South Korea in that item you copy and pasted ( without rightful attribution, well done kid ) are incredibly vague and not ruling any explanation out.

What is the margin of error in this instance?

[IanD]

Did they mention, in this documentary, the effects of a low period of immunity on the possible success of the vaccine?

An unknown at the moment which is why any vaccine has to go through rigorous testing before any conclusions can be drawn and a vaccine is deemed effective and safe enough to be used within the general public. Computer modelling did show how even limited inoculation can significantly reduce the overall infection rate. At a guess, if this vaccination gets the go ahead, geographical hotspots/communities will be targeted first to help suppress infection rates.

[CCFCC3PO]

An unknown at the moment which is why any vaccine has to go through rigorous testing before any conclusions can be drawn and a vaccine is deemed effective and safe enough to be used within the general public. Computer modelling did show how even limited inoculation can significantly reduce the overall infection rate. At a guess, if this vaccination gets the go ahead, geographical hotspots/communities will be targeted first to help suppress infection rates.

Nice one. That is hopeful. I will have to watch this at some stage, was busy yesterday working on something, and I am going to get rat arsed later so maybe tomorrow.

[xsnaggle]

What's with the @ thing? Stupid!!

[CCFCC3PO]

What's with the @ thing? Stupid!!

It's used on other forums to let that person know you have mentioned them. It's common decency on those forums, and maybe I am using it out of habit.

[chrisp_1927]

At this moment in time, I disagree and I disagree for the following reasons.

1) As you pointed out, we don't know how many people were re-tested
2) People were retested in China, 38 out of 262 tested positive. (14%)
3) The fact that people are re-testing as positive provides enough reason for this to be investigated further.

They can't dismiss it because "it's not very many". We need to know the reasons why these are re-testing as positive. False positives in the first test? Disease reactivating? A second infection? That is why I say the number of people re-testing as positive is currently not so important. In my opinion, the actual fact that immunity cannot, at present, be guaranteed is something that we really need an answer to.

At least, we should have retesting of people once recovered - and in every country.

But immunity is never guaranteed in all people. Immunity relies on your immune system working. If people are very poorly then they wont have an effective immune memory or response. That means that the numbers who get reinfected are important.
That will enable people to work out if re infection is down to something about the patients, or if it's something that the disease is likely to do in everyone.
We haven't even scratched the surface of knowledge about this virus yet. But there are lots of great people all around the world investigating, so i'm sure this is being looked into

[CCFCC3PO]

But immunity is never guaranteed in all people. Immunity relies on your immune system working. If people are very poorly then they wont have an effective immune memory or response. That means that the numbers who get reinfected are important.
That will enable people to work out if re infection is down to something about the patients, or if it's something that the disease is likely to do in everyone.
We haven't even scratched the surface of knowledge about this virus yet. But there are lots of great people all around the world investigating, so i'm sure this is being looked into

I agree. My main thought, on seeing this story, was that I felt it needed to be shared on this forum because there is a poster here who claims he has had it (not tested, but knew someone who had it. Not a fanciful claim, but possibly not accurate either). He then said, "I feel invincible". I pointed out that may not be the case, and this story should, I hope, make him think again about his Superman status.

[uncle bob]

In what way do you think the above story is something to beat South Korea up about? China also reported reinfection, although that was largely thought to be because the original diagnosis was wrong. If South Koreans can get reinfected (and this story needs further detail), then it implies that any nations' citizens can get reinfected.

I think this story may have links to some people having exposure to covid-19 are not showing strong antibodies.

Now, I appreciate that some people here see things in black and white - and come up with disgraceful slurs such as me "revelling" in this.

The main reason I posted this story was to alert people who are walking around thinking "I've had it, though I've not been tested. I am immune, because I've had it". They really need to think again - and we have one such poster here (and this is not me attacking the person, I am attacking his belief that he is invincible). He has been very sick recently, by how own admission. It is great he has recovered, but the last thing I want is to see him, and people like him, getting stung by reinfection.

No need to worry about me. I've not left the house.
I tell a lie I've left the house twice in 3 weeks both to go shopping.
Even then I've worn gloves to shop in Asda. And then changed into another pair to drive back. I'm not being brass about it and I'm still taking it serious with social distancing if I do get a chance to get out.
Drinking out my back garden everyday in this weather.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Really enjoyed reading this thread whilst eating my breakfast granola and fruit. The fellowship of CCMB'rs is strong as ever..

[CCFCC3PO]

No need to worry about me. I've not left the house.
I tell a lie I've left the house twice in 3 weeks both to go shopping.
Even then I've worn gloves to shop in Asda. And then changed into another pair to drive back. I'm not being brass about it and I'm still taking it serious with social distancing if I do get a chance to get out.
Drinking out my back garden everyday in this weather.

Good stuff, glad you are feeling better. Stay well!!!

[uncle bob]

I've stopped listening to all the news. Newspapers. Everyone is saying something different. At first I was taken in by them all and believed what I wanted to believe but nobody has any solid data or real facts. Trust nothing you read and stay at home with a few beers until all this blows over if your not a key worker.
I'm sick of reading so much doom and gloom. You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. You should do this, you should do that.
Just stay at home as shit as it is and forget the news online it's all bollux without data is my view

[Jimmy the Jock]

I've stopped listening to all the news. Newspapers. Everyone is saying something different. At first I was taken in by them all and believed what I wanted to believe but nobody has any solid data or real facts. Trust nothing you read and stay at home with a few beers until all this blows over if your not a key worker.
I'm sick of reading so much doom and gloom. You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. You should do this, you should do that.
Just stay at home as shit as it is and forget the news online it's all bollux without data is my view

Well said .

Of course if you are a government minister making the rules , they don't apply.... wonder why that is?

[surge]

I've stopped listening to all the news. Newspapers. Everyone is saying something different. At first I was taken in by them all and believed what I wanted to believe but nobody has any solid data or real facts. Trust nothing you read and stay at home with a few beers until all this blows over if your not a key worker.
I'm sick of reading so much doom and gloom. You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. You should do this, you should do that.
Just stay at home as shit as it is and forget the news online it's all bollux without data is my view

Think is probably sensible. My one issue with it is that if we forget that WHO declared "emergency of international concern” on 30/01/2020, that first cases in UK were by 31/01/2020 and no real action was taken by UK government until 20/03/2020 (https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a...avirus-crisis/). Or that UK government is saying sufficient PPE if it's used more than once but health professionals on the ground are saying that's not how you use PPE at all. Or that instead of asking questions that they were asking of the Italian response 2 weeks ago the UK media is instead filled with stories about what TV Boris Johnson is watching in recovery....

We're still waiting for the report into Russian interference into UK politics and report on Boris' Garden Bridge has been declared not for public viewing to project interests of trust now in liquidation. Have no doubt that right thing is to look after yourself instead but there is a huge amount of information missing now, and arguably the obfuscation of information which has been practiced for a long time by Boris Johnson is now costing hundreds of lives.

[Organ Morgan.]

Similar here, Bob. I limit myself to the headlines on the BBC text service as I have no interest in listening to what any news channels have to say. The few people I come within two metres of on my hound walking routes who wish to have a yap are also swerved sharpish as there's only one topic on everyone's lips.