Is England allowing Wales and Scotland to go without PPE ?

[tell it like it is]

I think all nations in the UK should receive equal treatment as we are supposed to be a union of equals

So a nation of 3.5m must be equal to a nation of how many times that number?

Hardly equal on a per person basis, eh? "Welsh people count more than English people" appears to be the view.

[tell it like it is]

These letters to vulnerable people is yet another example of how much better it is for government and service in wales to be run by wales!!!!

Aye, they needed to be sent to the wrong addresses.

[City123]

So a nation of 3.5m must be equal to a nation of how many times that number?

Hardly equal on a per person basis, eh? "Welsh people count more than English people" appears to be the view.

We're a union of 4 nations, all 4 nations should receive fair and equal treatment.

[surge]

Possibly because we've seen the talking shop that is the Welsh Assembly in action and realise they are inept? Giving them more powers... lol.

Then elect better AM's or stand to become one yourself. Where we don't have control it's clear that Wales is ignored so having these powers, an incredibly important win, is wholly different to distrusting those who are elected to use them.

For record, the Kent's finest now elected to be an AM got drunk and missed vote on budget so wasn't any ordinary voting day. That's the sort of character those who are anti-Senedd wanting sitting in it despite what it does for life in Wales.

[tell it like it is]

We're a union of 4 nations, all 4 nations should receive fair and equal treatment.

So you're saying a Scottish person, Welsh person, N Ireland person should have their opinion count more than an English person, proportionately?

[tell it like it is]

Then elect better AM's or stand to become one yourself. Where we don't have control it's clear that Wales is ignored so having these powers, an incredibly important win, is wholly different to distrusting those who are elected to use them.

For record, the Kent's finest now elected to be an AM got drunk and missed vote on budget so wasn't any ordinary voting day. That's the sort of character those who are anti-Senedd wanting sitting in it despite what it does for life in Wales.

Can only elect those that stand - and people vote Labour regardless.

Welsh Assembly sent campaign literature - in Welsh- to Scottish Highlands last year, now sent letters to people vulnerable to covid-19 to wrong addresses...

[City123]

So you're saying a Scottish person, Welsh person, N Ireland person should have their opinion count more than an English person, proportionately?

I'm saying that in a union of 4 apparently equal partners, each partner should be treated equally

Its not a complicated argument

[surge]

So you're saying a Scottish person, Welsh person, N Ireland person should have their opinion count more than an English person, proportionately?

Not sure your point stands when one of Plaid Cymru's recent messages was something like 4% of rail but 1% of investment (figures may be slightly off).

If you only ever invest in one part of the UK then a small amount of extra investment there is going to have much greater impact, much greater bang for taxpayer, then investing larger amount elsewhere, but if that's your aim then you only widen any existing inequality. Should inequality be widened or is there a way of improving working links between 4 distinct nations in Union? For example, could Wales and Scotland have greater relationship to increase growth in both areas?

[tell it like it is]

I'm saying that in a union of 4 apparently equal partners, each partner should be treated equally

Its not a complicated argument

Except they shouldn't.

If you're looking at a 25% split each way, money, power, whatever, the population demographics don't support that.

Should a Welsh government of 3.5m have 25% say in UK when the percentage of welsh people is far below 25%? If you want that "all nations equal" view then you are saying an individual Welsh persons view weights more than an individual English persons view.

[tell it like it is]

I'm saying that in a union of 4 apparently equal partners, each partner should be treated equally

Its not a complicated argument

Look at the demographics for each nation, population sizes etc then come back and say all should be "equal".

[surge]

Can only elect those that stand - and people vote Labour regardless.

Welsh Assembly sent campaign literature - in Welsh- to Scottish Highlands last year, now sent letters to people vulnerable to covid-19 to wrong addresses...

Encourage people you think are worth voting for to stand, encourage people to have greater interest in politics o apathy isn't the winner of each election, ask tougher questions and demand more of those who have been elected. You obviously have an interest, use that to help Wales rather than to squash it.

[tell it like it is]

Encourage people you think are worth voting for to stand, encourage people to have greater interest in politics o apathy isn't the winner of each election. You obviously have an interest, use that to help Wales rather than to squash it.

Ha, been through way too many elections to have anything other than apathy.
Peopel in Wales vote Labour because it's what generations have done, with the view it's what Welsh people should do and anyone voting Tory is clearly scum.

Why assume, based upon decades of poor performance at council and now Assembly level that things ar magically going to change?

Welsh Labour could have a lead policy of killing every first born child and would still get elected.

[City123]

Look at the demographics for each nation, population sizes etc then come back and say all should be "equal".

You're telling me they aren't the same size? Oh my God, I never realised! This is groundbreaking!

Still doesn't change my argument. We're 4 nations in a union, each nation should be treated equally, the largest partner shouldn't be able to throw their weight around to the detriment of others.

[life on mars]

Nobody hates the Welsh more than the Welsh

Suppose the important questions are :

Are we up to it.
Do we have the skills set and mechanisms
Is there a hunger for self government
(if yes why don't we see Plaid rise )
Is there any evidence of the current decisions we can make working?
Are we ready to accept self taxation, probably higher ones .

Is the goal a single political movement?

Is this debate just anti English and Tory .?

Would we have the same debate if Labour were In power

[tell it like it is]

You're telling me they aren't the same size? Oh my God, I never realised! This is groundbreaking!

Still doesn't change my argument. We're 4 nations in a union, each nation should be treated equally, the largest partner shouldn't be able to throw their weight around to the detriment of others.

So should be treated equally despite not being equal at all.

Makes real sense, that.

[trampie09]

So should be treated equally despite not being equal at all.

Makes real sense, that.

A proper functioning sovereign state sends money and resources to parts of their state that need it most at the expense of other parts of the state that don't need it, that is how a properly functioning state should act but that description doesn't always seem to be the case as regards the UK.

[Penywaun gentrified]

Tell it like it is- are you deliberately trying to be thick? Treated equally means the 4 nations should have PROPORTIONATELY the same investment, resources spent on them, etc, not 25% of the UK's resources each! You may understand per capita? Given each nation's population, resources should be allocated according to the population of each. Transport is a classic example of how the Wales loses out big time in relation to South East England.

[xsnaggle]

Tell it like it is- are you deliberately trying to be thick? Treated equally means the 4 nations should have PROPORTIONATELY the same investment, resources spent on them, etc, not 25% of the UK's resources each! You may understand per capita? Given each nation's population, resources should be allocated according to the population of each. Transport is a classic example of how the Wales loses out big time in relation to South East England.

[xsnaggle]

A proper functioning sovereign state sends money and resources to parts of their state that need it most at the expense of other parts of the state that don't need it, that is how a properly functioning state should act but that description doesn't always seem to be the case as regards the UK.

It spends money in the places and on the projects that have the most chance of getting a return for the taxpayer. It's not the governemtn's money nad it has to husband it wisely.

[tell it like it is]

Tell it like it is- are you deliberately trying to be thick? Treated equally means the 4 nations should have PROPORTIONATELY the same investment, resources spent on them, etc, not 25% of the UK's resources each! You may understand per capita? Given each nation's population, resources should be allocated according to the population of each. Transport is a classic example of how the Wales loses out big time in relation to South East England.

And which of those you refer to are devolved? Yeah, there's a need in Cardiff for a metro thingy, sort out Brynglas tunnels? **** that...

People have been saying "equal partners"... can't see anyone saying "proportional partners"...

Gentrified? Like ****.

[Heisenberg]

It spends money in the places and on the projects that have the most chance of getting a return for the taxpayer. It's not the governemtn's money nad it has to husband it wisely.

London Garden Bridge? HS2?

[xsnaggle]

London Garden Bridge? HS2?

Bridge no, HS2 yes

But I think the bridge was London money as opposed to Central Government money.

[Heisenberg]

Bridge no, HS2 yes

A massively over-priced high speed railway originally costing £50bn(ish) that keeps getting delayed and more expensive (now estimated to be costing £100bn(ish) is a good investment for the taxpayer? For a minute fraction of the cost they could solve the homeless crisis in the UK and have £99bn left to put some railway links in the north and east of Cardiff.

[xsnaggle]

A massively over-priced high speed railway originally costing £50bn(ish) that keeps getting delayed and more expensive (now estimated to be costing £100bn(ish) is a good investment for the taxpayer? For a minute fraction of the cost they could solve the homeless crisis in the UK and have £99bn left to put some railway links in the north and east of Cardiff.

I think the line is more about the "Northern Powerhouse" than finacial return, but there is a hope that it will in time give that return. In the great scheme of things £50 billion isn't such a huge sum any more at government level.

[Heisenberg]

I think the line is more about the "Northern Powerhouse" than finacial return, but there is a hope that it will in time give that return. In the great scheme of things £50 billion isn't such a huge sum any more at government level.

What about £100,000,000,000 which is what they are projecting its costs as being? How is that money being spent on a high speed railway in England going to benefit the taxpayer? Is £100bn going to be the final cost or will it keep growing exponentially as it has done so far?

Sorry, I've got a lot of questions about how idiotic I think this 'project' is.