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Thread: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

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    Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Is it too conspiratorial to think that Covid-19 was engineered in China?

    I’m starting to think that there may be some credence in the possibility that China created this virus or mutated an existing one at the lab in Wuhan.
    Not that it was released intentionally, but possibly from lax procedures at The Wuhan P4 Lab.

    This would possibly explain the escalation in hostility from The Trump Administration towards the WHO.

    The theory is certainly getting more mainstream traction than a few weeks ago.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...-outbreak/amp/

  2. #2

    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Yes. No. Maybe.

    The escalation in hostility from Trump is surely an attempt to deflect from his own failings.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Yes. No. Maybe.

    The escalation in hostility from Trump is surely an attempt to deflect from his own failings.
    Didn't the U.S. intelligence know about COVID-19 since November?

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue View Post
    Is it too conspiratorial to think that Covid-19 was engineered in China?

    I’m starting to think that there may be some credence in the possibility that China created this virus or mutated an existing one at the lab in Wuhan.
    Not that it was released intentionally, but possibly from lax procedures at The Wuhan P4 Lab.

    This would possibly explain the escalation in hostility from The Trump Administration towards the WHO.

    The theory is certainly getting more mainstream traction than a few weeks ago.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...-outbreak/amp/
    Deflection

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Yes. No. Maybe.

    The escalation in hostility from Trump is surely an attempt to deflect from his own failings.
    Quite possibly.

    I have a feeling though that evidence may emerge about its engineering and the WHO lap-dogging towards China may be seen in a different light.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Yes. No. Maybe.

    The escalation in hostility from Trump is surely an attempt to deflect from his own failings.
    This.

    Although, it's difficult to know whether or not China engineered the virus or not, it's hard to see what would be in it for them if they did. Their economy was slowing down before this started. Now it's in decline.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    This.

    Although, it's difficult to know whether or not China engineered the virus or not, it's hard to see what would be in it for them if they did. Their economy was slowing down before this started. Now it's in decline.
    Maybe I should have left Trump and the WHO out of the post as it will derail the real question I was thinking about.

    Which is essentially was...what are the chances that the Covid-19 virus was engineered in China?

    A theory could be that they were developing biological weapons as have other countries have or possibly were looking at potential Bat CV vaccines and the security measures were to lax and it escaped.

  8. #8

    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Taiwan now claiming WHO ignored email sent about person to person transmissions occurring.

    If true, have to wonder why WHO weren't tougher on China initially.

  9. #9

    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Deflection
    Exactly. Trump is not a subtle guy, if he knew something he'd get the sledgehammer out.

    He needs someone to blame for his administration's terrible response, which has been focused on greatly in the last few days. He doesn't really want to fall out too much with China because the Trump Org, and Ivanka, need them for business, so the WHO it is.

    Just like when he attacked and withdrew from the Paris Agreement, he's not bothered about what damage it causes.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue View Post
    Maybe I should have left Trump and the WHO out of the post as it will derail the real question I was thinking about.

    Which is essentially was...what are the chances that the Covid-19 virus was engineered in China?

    A theory could be that they were developing biological weapons as have other countries have or possibly were looking at potential Bat CV vaccines and the security measures were to lax and it escaped.
    Not according to this.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nalysis-nature




    It was clear “almost overnight” that the virus wasn’t human-made, Andersen says. Anyone hoping to create a virus would need to work with already known viruses and engineer them to have desired properties.

    But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has components that differ from those of previously known viruses, so they had to come from an unknown virus or viruses in nature. “Genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone,” Andersen and colleagues write in the study.

    “This is not a virus somebody would have conceived of and cobbled together. It has too many distinct features, some of which are counterintuitive,” Garry says. “You wouldn’t do this if you were trying to make a more deadly virus.”

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Although, it's difficult to know whether or not China engineered the virus or not, it's hard to see what would be in it for them if they did.
    I think it's possible the virus, hosted by Chinese horseshoe bats, was being studied in the Wuhan lab and lax safety procedures somehow allowed it to escape into the population. That theory is based on nothing concrete, no actual evidence I've seen or read, but I believe it has to be a possibility.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by adz-a32 View Post
    Didn't the U.S. intelligence know about COVID-19 since November?
    They knew of COVID-19 years before last November. Read my Plandemic thread at the Politics forum in an hour or so to understand why.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    They knew of COVID-19 years before last November. Read my Plandemic thread at the Politics forum in an hour or so to understand why.
    I thought the 19 in the name referred to 2019?

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I thought the 19 in the name referred to 2019?
    Yes, it does, and it's a humdinger of a fib.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I think it's possible the virus, hosted by Chinese horseshoe bats, was being studied in the Wuhan lab and lax safety procedures somehow allowed it to escape into the population. That theory is based on nothing concrete, no actual evidence I've seen or read, but I believe it has to be a possibility.
    That sounds plausible. I was just saying that I doubted that the Chinese engineered the virus hoping to gain from it.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Yes, it does, and it's a humdinger of a fib.
    Are you sticking to that theory?

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    They knew of COVID-19 years before last November. Read my Plandemic thread at the Politics forum in an hour or so to understand why.
    Bloody hell Org.....Do you really want people to do that?

  18. #18

    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Not according to this.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nalysis-nature


    It was clear “almost overnight” that the virus wasn’t human-made, Andersen says. Anyone hoping to create a virus would need to work with already known viruses and engineer them to have desired properties.

    But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has components that differ from those of previously known viruses, so they had to come from an unknown virus or viruses in nature. “Genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone,” Andersen and colleagues write in the study.

    “This is not a virus somebody would have conceived of and cobbled together. It has too many distinct features, some of which are counterintuitive,” Garry says. “You wouldn’t do this if you were trying to make a more deadly virus.”

    Anderson also said that it didn’t seem as though the Seafood Market wasn’t the only origin.
    Not that it contradicts what he has gone on to say, but it does puzzle me.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ding-globally#

    Kristian Andersen, an evolutionary biologist at the Scripps Research Institute who has analyzed sequences of 2019-nCoV to try to clarify its origin, says the 1 December timing of the first confirmed case was “an interesting tidbit” in The Lancet paper. “The scenario of somebody being infected outside the market and then later bringing it to the market is one of the three scenarios we have considered that is still consistent with the data,” he says. “It’s entirely plausible given our current data and knowledge.” The other two scenarios are that the origin was a group of infected animals or a single animal that came into that marketplace.

    Andersen posted his analysis of 27 available genomes of 2019-nCoV on 25 January on a virology research website. It suggests they had a “most recent common ancestor”—meaning a common source—as early as 1 October 2019.

    Bin Cao of Capital Medical University, the corresponding author of The Lancet article and a pulmonary specialist, wrote in an email to ScienceInsider that he and his co-authors “appreciate the criticism” from Lucey.

    “Now It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,” he wrote. “But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.”

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Organ has an interesting theory on this - http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?443863-Plandemic

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Not according to this.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...nalysis-nature




    It was clear “almost overnight” that the virus wasn’t human-made, Andersen says. Anyone hoping to create a virus would need to work with already known viruses and engineer them to have desired properties.

    But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has components that differ from those of previously known viruses, so they had to come from an unknown virus or viruses in nature. “Genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone,” Andersen and colleagues write in the study.

    “This is not a virus somebody would have conceived of and cobbled together. It has too many distinct features, some of which are counterintuitive,” Garry says. “You wouldn’t do this if you were trying to make a more deadly virus.”
    Great post.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    This.

    Although, it's difficult to know whether or not China engineered the virus or not, it's hard to see what would be in it for them if they did. Their economy was slowing down before this started. Now it's in decline.
    It's rumoured that china bought up loys of PPE gear back in Jan/feb from around the world and are now happily selling it back to us.

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK View Post
    It's rumoured that china bought up loys of PPE gear back in Jan/feb from around the world and are now happily selling it back to us.
    Wonder if that might have something to do with the pandemic they experienced in January and February?

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    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Wonder if that might have something to do with the pandemic they experienced in January and February?

  24. #24

    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Organ has an interesting theory on this
    He's had a complete mare of the night variety.

  25. #25

    Re: Was Covid-19 Engineered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue View Post
    Maybe I should have left Trump and the WHO out of the post as it will derail the real question I was thinking about.

    Which is essentially was...what are the chances that the Covid-19 virus was engineered in China?

    A theory could be that they were developing biological weapons as have other countries have or possibly were looking at potential Bat CV vaccines and the security measures were to lax and it escaped.
    Develop a biological weapon that mainly kills old, vulnerable people and in the vast majority of people hardly any symptoms ?? Also killing their own population appears rather counterproductive. Its all conspiracy theories and supposition.

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