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[dandywarhol]

Primary schools are due to reopen as soon as June 1, as part of Boris Johnson’s blueprint for gradually “unlocking” Britain, The Sunday Telegraph can disclose.
The Prime Minister is expected to unveil the Government’s “roadmap” out of the coronavirus lockdown in an address to the nation next Sunday, after ministers take stock of a study showing the rate of the virus’s transmission in the UK.
One of the plans being discussed to help to reopen workplaces across the country is to ask companies to routinely test asymptomatic staff as part of a national effort to track the disease and isolate those who could be infectious.
Based on the current, reduced infection rate, Mr Johnson is hoping to put teachers on three weeks’ notice to reopen primary schools to all pupils on June 1, Whitehall sources said.
Year 10 and Year 12 pupils are then expected to form the first wave of secondary pupils returning to school at a later point, if such a move would be unlikely to increase the transmission rate over the threshold that Mr Johnson warned could result in a dangerous second peak.
The earliest possible return of primary schoolchildren is intended to minimise the threat to “early years development” and help parents to return to work.
On Saturday, Robert Jenrick, the Communities Secretary, said: “Home learning is not easy, particularly when one or both parents are trying to work from home as well

In other developments:
Manchester, Stansted and East Midlands airports will this week begin requiring travellers to wear face masks and gloves
 Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, Andrew Griffith, Mr Johnson’s former business adviser, warns that “every additional day the phone rings unanswered in ‘lockdown’ Britain is an order lost to an overseas competitor whose own economy is open for business” A senior bishop signalled the Church of England could accept a temporary relaxation of Sunday trading laws, as Alok Sharma, the Business Secretary, pushed for the move in order to boost the economy and allow more time for key workers to shop
 A study by scientists at the University of Dundee found that resuming more than just 10 per cent of pre-lockdown contacts with other people “would risk a second peak”.
On Saturday night, Mr Johnson held talks with the “quad” of senior ministers making key decisions about the lockdown.
Whitehall sources said the plan included opening primary schools as early as June 1 – a date that could be pushed back as a result of data due to be delivered to ministers by the Office for National Statistics this week.
Mr Johnson has said it is “vital” to keep the “R” number – the measurement of the Covid-19 transmission rate – below one, meaning the virus is in retreat nationwide.
Last week, it stood between 0.5 and one, giving ministers optimism that they can reopen primary schools as early as June 1.

A Whitehall source said the move was “crucial for economic reasons, to get things moving, but also for educational reasons”, adding “early years development is very important”.
Meanwhile, secondary school pupils “can do a lot more at home and online. They are not as pressing as primary schoolchildren, who we know need a lot of attention”.
On Saturday, Jenny Harries, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, said there were “some signs that potentially younger children are less susceptible to disease and potentially transmit it less”.
Officials are believed to be working on detailed plans for the safest way to reopen schools, with possibilities including temporary limits on class sizes.
The question of when to reopen nursery schools remains a live discussion.
ONS survey data due to be issued this week is expected to give ministers the clearest picture yet of how the disease is spreading in the UK.
A source said “a lot of the strategy” would depend on the findings.
This week the Government is also expected to focus on measures intended to encourage those already permitted to work to return to construction sites and factories.
Those who work in offices and can carry out their roles from home are likely to be encouraged to continue to do so.
Dr Harries said the public needed “very clear messaging to understand when to come out and to be reassured that it’s safe”.
Last week, senior civil servants from the business department are said to have asked business groups about the practicalities of introducing workplace testing.
Several senior government and corporate figures believe the UK will end up with such regimes as part of a national “track and trace” strategy intended to pinpoint and isolate cases of the virus.
A Yale study suggesting that new saliva tests are a “more sensitive” alternative to the swab tests currently administered by the NHS, has led to optimism that workplace testing of asymptomatic staff could become routine, with samples handed to office managers or human resources staff to send to labs.
This week, the NHS’s South Korea-style contact tracing system is expected to be piloted on the Isle of Wight.
A Department for Education spokesman said: “Education Secretary Gavin Williamson has not set a date for schools reopening.
“Schools will remain closed, except for children of critical workers and vulnerable children, until the scientific advice indicates it is the right time to reopen and the five tests set out by Government to beat this virus have been met.”
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[surge]

Education is devolved.

[light up the darkness]

Based on the WAGs management of this and other fk ups I am at a loss to understand why them in the Bay don’t just follow England’s lead. Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE. Maybe Debenhams could have been saved along with 900 jobs

They are a disaster and it’s not them who will pick up the tab

[xsnaggle]

So they have let debenhams leave then? That'll make a nice hole in the middle of the sghopping centre, just across from Primark.

[CCFCC3PO]

Based on the WAGs management of this and other fk ups I am at a loss to understand why them in the Bay don’t just follow England’s lead. Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE. Maybe Debenhams could have been saved along with 900 jobs

They are a disaster and it’s not them who will pick up the tab

Are you saying there is no shortage of PPE in England?

[CCFCC3PO]

So they have let debenhams leave then? That'll make a nice hole in the middle of the sghopping centre, just across from Primark.

Debenhams have a crap business model, when they were putting little retailers out of business it was "dog eat dog".

[light up the darkness]

Are you saying there is no shortage of PPE in England?

I don’t think I said that.

“Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE” is what I said

Are you saying there is no problem with PPE and that WaAG got it right ?

[goats]

Based on the WAGs management of this and other fk ups I am at a loss to understand why them in the Bay don’t just follow England’s lead. Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE. Maybe Debenhams could have been saved along with 900 jobs

They are a disaster and it’s not them who will pick up the tab

Have we got a shortage really? It’s not what the head guy at the royal gwent has said today, never been an issue even at the busiest corona hospital in wales

[light up the darkness]

Debenhams have a crap business model, when they were putting little retailers out of business it was "dog eat dog".

Tell that to the poor people who will be out of a job regardless of what their employers business model might be

[goats]

Primary schools are due to reopen as soon as June 1, as part of Boris Johnson’s blueprint for gradually “unlocking” Britain, The Sunday Telegraph can disclose.
The Prime Minister is expected to unveil the Government’s “roadmap” out of the coronavirus lockdown in an address to the nation next Sunday, after ministers take stock of a study showing the rate of the virus’s transmission in the UK.
One of the plans being discussed to help to reopen workplaces across the country is to ask companies to routinely test asymptomatic staff as part of a national effort to track the disease and isolate those who could be infectious.
Based on the current, reduced infection rate, Mr Johnson is hoping to put teachers on three weeks’ notice to reopen primary schools to all pupils on June 1, Whitehall sources said.
Year 10 and Year 12 pupils are then expected to form the first wave of secondary pupils returning to school at a later point, if such a move would be unlikely to increase the transmission rate over the threshold that Mr Johnson warned could result in a dangerous second peak.
The earliest possible return of primary schoolchildren is intended to minimise the threat to “early years development” and help parents to return to work.
On Saturday, Robert Jenrick, the Communities Secretary, said: “Home learning is not easy, particularly when one or both parents are trying to work from home as well

In other developments:
Manchester, Stansted and East Midlands airports will this week begin requiring travellers to wear face masks and gloves
 Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, Andrew Griffith, Mr Johnson’s former business adviser, warns that “every additional day the phone rings unanswered in ‘lockdown’ Britain is an order lost to an overseas competitor whose own economy is open for business” A senior bishop signalled the Church of England could accept a temporary relaxation of Sunday trading laws, as Alok Sharma, the Business Secretary, pushed for the move in order to boost the economy and allow more time for key workers to shop
 A study by scientists at the University of Dundee found that resuming more than just 10 per cent of pre-lockdown contacts with other people “would risk a second peak”.
On Saturday night, Mr Johnson held talks with the “quad” of senior ministers making key decisions about the lockdown.
Whitehall sources said the plan included opening primary schools as early as June 1 – a date that could be pushed back as a result of data due to be delivered to ministers by the Office for National Statistics this week.
Mr Johnson has said it is “vital” to keep the “R” number – the measurement of the Covid-19 transmission rate – below one, meaning the virus is in retreat nationwide.
Last week, it stood between 0.5 and one, giving ministers optimism that they can reopen primary schools as early as June 1.

A Whitehall source said the move was “crucial for economic reasons, to get things moving, but also for educational reasons”, adding “early years development is very important”.
Meanwhile, secondary school pupils “can do a lot more at home and online. They are not as pressing as primary schoolchildren, who we know need a lot of attention”.
On Saturday, Jenny Harries, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, said there were “some signs that potentially younger children are less susceptible to disease and potentially transmit it less”.
Officials are believed to be working on detailed plans for the safest way to reopen schools, with possibilities including temporary limits on class sizes.
The question of when to reopen nursery schools remains a live discussion.
ONS survey data due to be issued this week is expected to give ministers the clearest picture yet of how the disease is spreading in the UK.
A source said “a lot of the strategy” would depend on the findings.
This week the Government is also expected to focus on measures intended to encourage those already permitted to work to return to construction sites and factories.
Those who work in offices and can carry out their roles from home are likely to be encouraged to continue to do so.
Dr Harries said the public needed “very clear messaging to understand when to come out and to be reassured that it’s safe”.
Last week, senior civil servants from the business department are said to have asked business groups about the practicalities of introducing workplace testing.
Several senior government and corporate figures believe the UK will end up with such regimes as part of a national “track and trace” strategy intended to pinpoint and isolate cases of the virus.
A Yale study suggesting that new saliva tests are a “more sensitive” alternative to the swab tests currently administered by the NHS, has led to optimism that workplace testing of asymptomatic staff could become routine, with samples handed to office managers or human resources staff to send to labs.
This week, the NHS’s South Korea-style contact tracing system is expected to be piloted on the Isle of Wight.
A Department for Education spokesman said: “Education Secretary Gavin Williamson has not set a date for schools reopening.
“Schools will remain closed, except for children of critical workers and vulnerable children, until the scientific advice indicates it is the right time to reopen and the five tests set out by Government to beat this virus have been met.”
Related Topics

Posted this on the corona thread. A staggered approach back to education from June 1st. It’s only a few weeks until the summer term any on July 19 so some relief for kids and parents alike until another 6 weeks of lockdown! Lots of parents might choose to keep their kids at home, particularly ones that have some health issues or asthma.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I don’t think I said that.

“Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE” is what I said

Are you saying there is no problem with PPE and that WaAG got it right ?

Maybe we wouldn't have had such a shortage had England nabbed what should have come to Wales? Maybe that's not true. None of us really know.

[tell it like it is]

Tell that to the poor people who will be out of a job regardless of what their employers business model might be

Debenhams have been dying on their arse for years, their demise is inevitable.

What's your solution? Poor management should be taxpayer subsidised?

[Former Labour leader]

https://twitter.com/WelshGovernment/...601479680?s=19

[CCFCC3PO]

I don’t think I said that.

“Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE” is what I said

Are you saying there is no problem with PPE and that WaAG got it right ?

No, I'm just intrigued that the message was that we should be following England. It appears both Governments have been equally inept at protecting it's health and care workers.

[the other bob wilson]

No, I'm just intrigued that the message was that we should be following England. It appears both Governments have been equally inept at protecting it's health and care workers.

[CCFCC3PO]

Tell that to the poor people who will be out of a job regardless of what their employers business model might be

Employees are usually the ones who end up paying for inept management. It's happened to me a few times, it isn't a new situation, they (Debenhams) may have called it "evolution" when they were taking custom from smaller businesses.

[CCFCC3PO]

Have we got a shortage really? It’s not what the head guy at the royal gwent has said today, never been an issue even at the busiest corona hospital in wales

We have a shortage. My partner works in a care home, will see one old lady with a temperature, spend time there. Wash hands etc, then go to the next old dear and care for them. No masks, no aprons, yes there are gloves, and hand washing. My partner then comes home concerned that I will get sick. My partner also spends the day worrying about infecting others in the care home.

[Jordi Culé]

Debenhams have been dying on their arse for years, their demise is inevitable.

What's your solution? Poor management should be taxpayer subsidised?

*cough cough*

The UK banking system.

[surge]

Based on the WAGs management of this and other fk ups I am at a loss to understand why them in the Bay don’t just follow England’s lead. Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE. Maybe Debenhams could have been saved along with 900 jobs

They are a disaster and it’s not them who will pick up the tab

Have I missed where it's said there is a shortage of PPE in Wales? It doesn't seem too long ago, I would estimate within past 7 days, Mark Drakeford said there was currently sufficient supply, that it was difficult to get it from abroad so looking at developing in Wales and that 2 items were at most risk. I haven't seen anything since to suggest shortage of supply of PPE in Wales.

From what Mark Drakeford said this morning, everyone leaving hospital is tested before being allowed to leave, this seems to be another example where conditions are better in Wales currently that in England. It appears that England are ahead in testing numbers but that's one third of test, trace, isolate so neither country doing that well.

WAG have said their desire is for four nations to act at the same time. My highlighting that it's a devolved issue is that clarity of information is important and only mentioning England in comment on CoE is misleading reporting. Mark Drakeford was on Marr this morning outlining the Welsh position which is perhaps most readily available from this labour website: https://labourlist.org/2020/05/sunda...ening-schools/

[light up the darkness]

No, I'm just intrigued that the message was that we should be following England. It appears both Governments have been equally inept at protecting it's health and care workers.

Yep. Don’t disagree with that. My point was about duplication

[light up the darkness]

Have I missed where it's said there is a shortage of PPE in Wales? It doesn't seem too long ago, I would estimate within past 7 days, Mark Drakeford said there was currently sufficient supply, that it was difficult to get it from abroad so looking at developing in Wales and that 2 items were at most risk. I haven't seen anything since to suggest shortage of supply of PPE in Wales.

From what Mark Drakeford said this morning, everyone leaving hospital is tested before being allowed to leave, this seems to be another example where conditions are better in Wales currently that in England. It appears that England are ahead in testing numbers but that's one third of test, trace, isolate so neither country doing that well.

WAG have said their desire is for four nations to act at the same time. My highlighting that it's a devolved issue is that clarity of information is important and only mentioning England in comment on CoE is misleading reporting. Mark Drakeford was on Marr this morning outlining the Welsh position which is perhaps most readily available from this labour website: https://labourlist.org/2020/05/sunda...ening-schools/

At what point will we be told there’s a shortage of kidney support machines. My guess is that we’ll be told we’re waiting for a supply from China

[light up the darkness]

Have I missed where it's said there is a shortage of PPE in Wales? It doesn't seem too long ago, I would estimate within past 7 days, Mark Drakeford said there was currently sufficient supply, that it was difficult to get it from abroad so looking at developing in Wales and that 2 items were at most risk. I haven't seen anything since to suggest shortage of supply of PPE in Wales.

From what Mark Drakeford said this morning, everyone leaving hospital is tested before being allowed to leave, this seems to be another example where conditions are better in Wales currently that in England. It appears that England are ahead in testing numbers but that's one third of test, trace, isolate so neither country doing that well.

WAG have said their desire is for four nations to act at the same time. My highlighting that it's a devolved issue is that clarity of information is important and only mentioning England in comment on CoE is misleading reporting. Mark Drakeford was on Marr this morning outlining the Welsh position which is perhaps most readily available from this labour website: https://labourlist.org/2020/05/sunda...ening-schools/

So are you saying that we shouldn’t hold them to account for related shortcomings especially when we are not being given all the information for example sight of the agreed contracts with Roche for equipment

[surge]

So are you saying that we shouldn’t hold them to account for related shortcomings especially when we are not being given all the information for example sight of the agreed contracts with Roche for equipment

Think it's been pretty clear I'm in favour of holding shortcomings to account but I have tried to reference where I'm getting my information from or, attempted to, simply ask questions I want answered. So far in this thread you have said:

Maybe we (in Wales) wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE.

Are you saying there is no problem with PPE and that WaAG got it right ?

I may have missed something but last I heard there wasn't an issue with supply of PPE in Wales. Have you seen something that says there is? If you have can you please share it so I can have a read? Lewis Goodall (BBC) and Mark Drakeford were, again an estimate of 7 days ago, suggesting no shortage of PPE currently.

I will repost this because whatever you come back with this is my main point:

WAG have said their desire is for four nations to act at the same time. My highlighting that it's a devolved issue is that clarity of information is important and only mentioning England in comment on CoE is misleading reporting. Mark Drakeford was on Marr this morning outlining the Welsh position which is perhaps most readily available from this labour website: https://labourlist.org/2020/05/sunda...ening-schools/

[light up the darkness]

“I may have missed something but last I heard there wasn't an issue with supply of PPE in Wales. Have you seen something that says there is? If you have can you please share it so I can have a read? Lewis Goodall (BBC) and Mark Drakeford were, again an estimate of 7 days ago, suggesting no shortage of PPE currently. “




Ok try this

Nurses criticise lack of PPE which is putting their lives at risk
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/h...urses-18038864

[Eric Cartman]

Based on the WAGs management of this and other fk ups I am at a loss to understand why them in the Bay don’t just follow England’s lead. Maybe we wouldn’t have such a shortage of PPE. Maybe Debenhams could have been saved along with 900 jobs

They are a disaster and it’s not them who will pick up the tab

If you were picking countries to take the lead from for covid response, England would be an odd choice.