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Who says so?Originally Posted by dml1954
Every fvcker in the tech industry that reads it... I'd suggest you read it but it might be a bit above your level...
There are privacy concerns in this app, absolutely. Are people believing Apple / Google are bastions of privacy? Arf!
Do you know every fvcker in the tech industry ? Apple and Google are not involved with setting up the systems on it - it will be available via Apple and Google app stores only, so perhaps you don't know much about it after all and have made up your mind based on flawed information. No matter what the people or Government do, there is always some so called ‘expert’ lined up ready to debunk it. Take the alternative SAGE group of ‘experts’ - their not biased are they - all socialist/ Labour supporters !!
What makes you think that the government are right? Is it your political persuasion or is it another reason? I'll be honest. You just sound like a government right wing soundbox. If you bother replying, just answer the questions I've written, not ask me other questions.
The Government are trying to introduce a track and trace via app system that is being used successfully in countries like South Korea as a way of controlling the virus spread and bring the country out of lockdown. All they are receiving is unwarranted criticism and suspicion. There are better things to worry about. Everyone should get behind it. If it doesn't get enough take up then it is likely that in another three months we will still be in full lockdown. Nothing to do with politics, although most of what you post on the subject makes you sound like a left wing soundbox to be honest. I also get the impression from quite a few people on this board that if Labour were in power, everybody would welcome the same app proposal with open arms. People have got nothing better to do than criticise without having any idea about how they would deal with the situation.
Let's focus on the answer to the question, not the irrelevant waffle that followed.
There is already a track and trace app that the government has ignored, that is supposedly more secure and is more useful on a wider scale. Why should a government app, that has attracted much criticism from professionals in the tech industry (that you, with no qualifications, have dismissed due to political loyalty instead of factual knowledge), be better?
Firstly how do you know what qualifications I have to comment and what gives you the right to decide who comments or not ? Who are you to decide that the Governments preferred system is inferior anyway. What factual knowledge are you basing your opinion on. All your posts are politically biased against the Government, so right back at you with all that crap. I was giving my opinions and you and a few others don't like it.
WTF?
How do I know what qualifications you have? I don't. That's why I asked. That's what I do if I don't know something. I try and find out from source.
What knowledge do I have that a government's preferred system is inferior? Just comments from very knowledgable tech guys on a world leading tech site. What knowledge do you have that the government's system is superior? Please answer from a position of knowledge or reference point of knowledge.
This went well.
Exactly, this is the question that's making me wonder. "Britain does it it's own way" hasn't really gone too well since the beginning of this with the herd immunity debacle. I wonder if dml1954 would admit that that idea was one of the all time worst or do we all blindly follow the government retrospectively as well
If the government told us to insert watermelons up our arse as tracking mechanisms he'd agree with it, once he'd pulled the Dominic Cummings dildo out first.
I was listening to a specialist in the sort of tech involved being interviewed on 5 Live yesterday about the app. She was concerned that the Government were trying to run before they could walk on this subject and that the App needed to be part of coordinated plan which she said was not in place yet and she also thought there would be problems because the app used a system that only the French one would be compatible with thereby putting us out of step with most other countries who were using a different system.
I don't know enough about the App to have an opinion on it either way yet and so am not sure whether I'd use it or not, but what I do want to say is that this professor was an American who now lives in this country and many of the negative responses she got back were purely because she was a foreigner. There was also the usual why are the BBC so negative, they should support the Government stuff, along with the implication that anyone who is critical of the Government is somehow being unpatriotic.
With very little respect, that's exactly how you come over, your opinions sound like they are based on blind, unquestioning loyalty to the Government and you are incredulous that anyone could think differently to you.
Our blind opposition to any thing a government attempt to do , to make life better ?
There is a two way story in life , one can only hope the government of the day are trying to look after us , or you think they are up to something ???
I always wonder what the thoughts /comments of folk would be different if it was a different government in power , hey I 'm sure I'm wrong .
I would love to here from Sir Keir 's or the Liberals more often if I'm honest however I'm guessing they are in the same unknown dark place as the current government is where one has never experienced anything like this in our lifetime ??
If Corbyn was in power, and had handled this in exactly the same way as the tories have then he would be getting absolutely crucified over it
I made a point of saying I don't know enough about the app either way yet to have an opinion on it one way or another. I was commenting only on an attitude which sees attacking a person based on them not being from this country and waving of the Union flag as an argument against the view of someone who has experience and expertise in the field being discussed - if people have to resort to stuff like that, it just tends to show how weak their argument is.
My opinions are based upon wanting to help the Government sort out the situation that we find ourselves in and help get the country up and running again as soon as possible. Nothing that I have heard or read about the app they are using makes me worry about losing any privacy and even if it did, that is a small price to pay. The app is also under trial now and can be amended or improved as necessary before it is rolled out to the rest of us. It was designed by the NHS with security input from GCHQ, both good enough for me. If Labour were in charge and brought this forward, I would feel exactly the same way, so how you can accuse me of unquestioning loyalty to the current Government is just silly. People who don't want to get involved appear to have a distrust of anything the current Government try to do, so surely it is them that are being politically biased. The first four words of your final paragraph are also totally unnecessary, confirming your general condescending attitude to anything anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint posts.
With regard to the app compared to other countries I don't see the relevance. The app is for people in this country. They could simply instruct anyone arriving by sea or air to download the app before leaving the terminal. clearly some may not have android phones but I imagine the vast majority would have. There is no reason for it to be compatible with other countries at all.
The comment about people saying the BBC is negative is because there are so many people being interview who say this or that is bad, perhaps disproportionate to those saying it is good, so some people have the opinion that if so-and-so "Expert" thought the thing in question was good they wouldn't be on the programme, that they only inivite people who will critisise. Whether that is true or not is another matter.
Why are you commenting when you clearly don't understand the point of the discussion?
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