This NHS app

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What's everybody thinking about that then?

I'm all for a track and trace system, and I've only just started reading into this app so am learning as I go but there's a few things that make me uneasy about it.

Firstly it's failed the cyber and security tests that it needs to pass to be included in the NHS app library https://www.hsj.co.uk/story.aspx?storyCode=7027564

Also the reasons why we're using this app and not the Google and Apple one feel a little bit like the UK's "we'll go our own way with herd immunity" approach all over again, not least because it's got Cumming's greasy hands all over it, his brother's company is apparently involved in the design of the app (?). This article explains that quite well, and also why it won't work a lot of the time https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/0...ronavirus_app/

The thought of that squarefaced little toad Cummings hijacking a national crisis to harvest yet more data makes me furious but I also want to do my bit if it helps long term.

What does everybody else think?

[Bluebina]

How much would apple and google charge?

They are the experts they should do it for free, this is a Worldwide problem and they get good tax treatments around the World?

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How much would apple and google charge?

They are the experts they should do it for free, this is a Worldwide problem and they get good tax treatments around the World?

I haven't seen anything to suggest they're charging for it, the fact that they're working together on it suggests that it's not a profit making exercise

[Bluebina]

I haven't seen anything to suggest they're charging for it, the fact that they're working together on it suggests that it's not a profit making exercise

Use that then, bound to be better they are the best in the world at tracking type apps?

[Rjk]

Reading that article I would have concerns about using it

[dml1954]

What's everybody thinking about that then?

I'm all for a track and trace system, and I've only just started reading into this app so am learning as I go but there's a few things that make me uneasy about it.

Firstly it's failed the cyber and security tests that it needs to pass to be included in the NHS app library https://www.hsj.co.uk/story.aspx?storyCode=7027564

Also the reasons why we're using this app and not the Google and Apple one feel a little bit like the UK's "we'll go our own way with herd immunity" approach all over again, not least because it's got Cumming's greasy hands all over it, his brother's company is apparently involved in the design of the app (?). This article explains that quite well, and also why it won't work a lot of the time https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/0...ronavirus_app/

The thought of that squarefaced little toad Cummings hijacking a national crisis to harvest yet more data makes me furious but I also want to do my bit if it helps long term.

What does everybody else think?

What the hell is ‘the register’ and why would anyone believe anything thats in that article. The person who wrote it probably belongs to the David Icke school of nutters and conspiracy theorists. At the end of the day it comes down to whether the people of this country want to get back to some sort of normal life, help get rid of this virus and save lives. If they don't then fine, don't get the app on their phone and while their at it, don't have the vaccine either when it is available. Me, I know what I will be doing as soon as the app is available and if I have to give up a small degree of my privacy to do my bit then that's a minuscule price to pay in the general scheme of things. PS. The online article was written by a contributor in San Francisco - enough said.

[tell it like it is]

What the hell is ‘the register’ and why would anyone believe anything thats in that article. The person who wrote it probably belongs to the David Icke school of nutters and conspiracy theorists. At the end of the day it comes down to whether the people of this country want to get back to some sort of normal life, help get rid of this virus and save lives. If they don't then fine, don't get the app on their phone and while their at it, don't have the vaccine either when it is available. Me, I know what I will be doing as soon as the app is available and if I have to give up a small degree of my privacy to do my bit then that's a minuscule price to pay in the general scheme of things.

The Register is a well known, well regarded tech news site. It's hardly David Icke. Do some research before damning a credible site.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

As this in an NHS thread I wonder if anyone else has ever won a dudenum on the Heath Lottery.....

[dml1954]

The Register is a well known, well regarded tech news site. It's hardly David Icke. Do some research before damning a credible site.

Credible ? So says who ? It is obviously trying to create headlines and destabilise efforts to get the app up and running for its own headline making purposes. The article is drivel.

[Croesy Blue]

Credible ? So says who ? It is obviously trying to create headlines and destabilise efforts to get the app up and running for its own headline making purposes. The article is drivel.

this account must be a wind up

[tell it like it is]

Credible ? So says who ? It is obviously trying to create headlines and destabilise efforts to get the app up and running for its own headline making purposes. The article is drivel.

Who says so?

Every fvcker in the tech industry that reads it... I'd suggest you read it but it might be a bit above your level...

There are privacy concerns in this app, absolutely. Are people believing Apple / Google are bastions of privacy? Arf!

[dml1954]

Who says so?

Every fvcker in the tech industry that reads it... I'd suggest you read it but it might be a bit above your level...

There are privacy concerns in this app, absolutely. Are people believing Apple / Google are bastions of privacy? Arf!

Do you know every fvcker in the tech industry ? Apple and Google are not involved with setting up the systems on it - it will be available via Apple and Google app stores only, so perhaps you don't know much about it after all and have made up your mind based on flawed information. No matter what the people or Government do, there is always some so called ‘expert’ lined up ready to debunk it. Take the alternative SAGE group of ‘experts’ - their not biased are they - all socialist/ Labour supporters !!

[Maurice Swan]

mmmm... a word of warning...once in place...

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[Taunton Blue Genie]

mmmm... a word of warning...once in place...

Big Brother.jpg

Room lol....

[goats]

mmmm... a word of warning...once in place...

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So what? If we want to beat this virus we will need a tracing app

[CCFCC3PO]

So what? If we want to beat this virus we will need a tracing app

There is evidence that such an app can be effective.

There is no evidence that it will work here, but we have to try it at least. People claiming it is a waste of time before it has started are possibly finding living through this virus a lot easier than others are.

[Bluebina]

There is evidence that such an app can be effective.

There is no evidence that it will work here, but we have to try it at least. People claiming it is a waste of time before it has started are possibly finding living through this virus a lot easier than others are.

I don't like the idea that the technology is shite and that it's a waste of time because of that, but I would give it a go to try and help combat the virus and allow us to return to normality quicker.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Credible ? So says who ? It is obviously trying to create headlines and destabilise efforts to get the app up and running for its own headline making purposes. The article is drivel.

And what are your qualifications that enable you to come to such a conclusion?

[The Lone Gunman]

What's everybody thinking about that then?

I think it will be pointless. Nowhere near enough people will download it for starters.

A significant percentage of the population either still haven't managed to grasp the rudimentary elements of social distancing or simply can't be bothered to follow the guidelines - something I witness every single working day without fail. Are people like them really going to have any interest in an app like this? I somehow doubt it.

Does everyone carry a mobile phone with them all the time? I certainly don't. Does everyone's phone work perfectly all the time? Mine certainly doesn't. Does everyone enjoy downloading and messing about with apps? I definitely don't. Of course, there will also be a significant percentage of people who will be worried about privacy issues - not something that bothers me especially, but they may be right regardless of my feelings.

It's a non-starter as far as I'm concerned - a complete waste of time and money that could be far better spent on more realistic goals.

[Croesy Blue]

I think it will be pointless. Nowhere near enough people will download it for starters.

A significant percentage of the population either still haven't managed to grasp the rudimentary elements of social distancing or simply can't be bothered to follow the guidelines - something I witness every single working day without fail. Are people like them really going to have any interest in an app like this? I somehow doubt it.

Does everyone carry a mobile phone with them all the time? I certainly don't. Does everyone's phone work perfectly all the time? Mine certainly doesn't. Does everyone enjoy downloading and messing about with apps? I definitely don't. Of course, there will also be a significant percentage of people who will be worried about privacy issues - not something that bothers me especially, but they may be right regardless of my feelings.

It's a non-starter as far as I'm concerned - a complete waste of time and money that could be far better spent on more realistic goals.

Whilst I agree people are definitely not sticking to the rules with social distancing I think if it is well publicised enough, enough people will download it. A lot of people own smartphones and the majority of them will have them on them most of the time I think. You don't need everyone to have it just enough of people.

[The Lone Gunman]

Whilst I agree people are definitely not sticking to the rules with social distancing I think if it is well publicised enough, enough people will download it. A lot of people own smartphones and the majority of them will have them on them most of the time I think. You don't need everyone to have it just enough of people.

I wonder what percentage of the population would need to download it to make it genuinely worthwhile?

Personally, I'm not at all comfortable with something I firmly believe is pie in the sky from the outset being used by this hopeless government as an excuse to either extend the lockdown or as an excuse for a higher death rate (ie: "well, they wouldn't download the app, so it's the public's fault.").

[dml1954]

I wonder what percentage of the population would need to download it to make it genuinely worthwhile?

Personally, I'm not at all comfortable with something I firmly believe is pie in the sky from the outset being used by this hopeless government as an excuse to either extend the lockdown or as an excuse for a higher death rate (ie: "well, they wouldn't download the app, so it's the public's fault.").

Lets be fair though, you do have previous form in relation to saying you definitely wont be doing something, on the basis that you think that everyone else wont do it either, then realising you have made a big mistake because everyone else has actually done it and you end up doing it yourself i.e going to watch City. 😀

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Lets be fair though, you do have previous form in relation to saying you definitely wont be doing something, on the basis that you think that everyone else wont do it either, then realising you have made a big mistake because everyone else has actually done it and you end up doing it yourself i.e going to watch City. ��

Are you a politician? Every time someone asks you a question, you never answer them.

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I wonder what percentage of the population would need to download it to make it genuinely worthwhile?

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I think I read on the BBC that it's 80%. They said as a comparison that 67% of the population have Whattsapp downloaded

[Bluebina]

I wonder what percentage of the population would need to download it to make it genuinely worthwhile?

Personally, I'm not at all comfortable with something I firmly believe is pie in the sky from the outset being used by this hopeless government as an excuse to either extend the lockdown or as an excuse for a higher death rate (ie: "well, they wouldn't download the app, so it's the public's fault.").

66% has been quoted in the past.