Genuine question, What do you mean?Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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Genuine question, What do you mean?
There is as much racism generated between different non-white groups towards each other and towards white people as there is by whites the other way. And between white groups and other white group because of nationality or other reasons.
It isn't two way, not by a long stretch.
It ay not seem so in this country but world wide it is.
You are missing the point again. The ‘P’ word would have nothing to do with her actions
How can I possibly be missing your terrible point? You're saying that's it ok to use racist language as long as the person you're abusing did something you disagree with and the term you use relates to that. Priti Patel did something you disagree with so you can call her a coconut or an Uncle Tom. Have I undersood that correctly?
If that's your argument then you leave the scope so f**king wide for society to decide that we can use whatever language we want as long as it fits with the description of the actions of the person that we are abusing.
I repeat: Either all forms of racist language are wrong or none of them are. If you want to decide which ones you think are acceptable, then you're part of the f**king problem.
And if you think it would be okay to use the word ‘paki’, you can **** off
He raises a valid point. The P word is clearly offensive. The coconut jibe (henceforth known as "the other c word that isn't 4 letters") is also offensive. You have justified calling Patel a coconut because she has betrayed her roots (which are as British as yours and mine). Some people may see that as a strong offensive slur. Why, then is the P word more offensive for you, especially since someone could just as equally say "I called her that because she betrayed her roots"? You have to, at least, accept that the other c word that isn't 4 letters carries the same potential to offend someone as the P word.
Wait a second... I've been telling you for hours how I don't think it's ok to use the word 'coconut' in the context that you used it - yet you accuse me of thinking it would be okay the use the word '****'?!
You can f**k off, Adz. You lost the moral highground when you called Priti Patel a "coconut" - you racist c**t.
Disagree. There was colonialism and the legacy is still there. Some people in South Asia look up to white people and try so hard to be them by lightening their skins and changing their accents. Also many systems from colonialism, such as laws, still exist and they can be regressive (eg anti-LGBTQ laws and blasphemy laws). Not to mention the borders torn up that have caused civil issues. Anyway I digress with the last two sentences but point still stands
I didn't say white against black racism doesn't exist did I. I only said it can be prevalent between non-British races and creeds also, it isn't only a post colonial British trait by any means. Lots of races creeds and ethnic communities can have racist tendencies and do, whether they be white black brown yellow or any other colour that may be used to describe them.
But you are free to disagree if tha'ts what you honestly believe.
I'm glad you think the subject of racism is funny. I'll be happy to remind you the next time you bring it up in conversation on here.
Because coconut is about actions and “paki” isn’t. **** is a word used to belittle Pakistanis (and other South Asians) and there was a term called ‘paki-bashing’ too. “Coconut” is used to call someone out for simply denying others the same opportunities that she and her parents had. It is synonymous with ‘hypocrite’ in this case and not used to say anything negative about white people
Yes, we've established that C*****t it is not used to say anything negative about white people. But it is used to say something negative about people of colour. Just as the P word is.
I'll throw this into the mix. I believe that ADZ is of Asian or Black origin? Would the phrase mean something different to him because of his experiences, culture etc? I'm not condoning it, just trying to make sense of why he used the phrase.
I think he is implying it does - his justification being that Patel has betrayed her roots. However, my argument currently would be that Adz is ignorant to the hurt that the word may cause to the person being called it. He has even used the phrase to describe himself - in which case, maybe the phrase is not as offensive as some here say it is.
However, I can see why people think it hypocritical considering that the phrase is only used on people of colour. I can't think of any other phrase that could be used solely on people of colour without causing offence, or being racist. I wonder what the reaction be if someone else here used the phrase to describe Abbott.
Nah just your response is. And the way you twisted the word ‘coconut’ when I was simply calling out Priti Patel for her actions.
A bit rich of you to lecture me on an issue I faced for my whole life tbh
Who the f**k is twisting it?
Ask yourself this very simple question - would you be calling Priti Patel a coconut if she was the daughter of white immigrants and she was white aswell?
If not, then why not? Is it because it's in relation to the colour of her skin?
If it is... then that's racist.
Context, bro. Coconut has a different context. I say again, ‘coconut’, in the way I used it, was to call out Priti Patel. ‘Paki’ is used to intimidate people and make them feel uneasy when they haven’t done anything wrong
But Patel could argue that she hasn't done anything wrong, and that your word makes her feel uneasy and intimidated. Couldn't she?
Here's one for you. If you do believe that Priti Patel is what you say that she is, then doesn't that mean that for her to get on in her political career she has had to adopt white centric politics, or certainly the politics that favour the more affluent, therefore, isn't she a victim as well? I do feel that this argument has been simplified somewhat, although i'm a bit guilty also as i just think she's a Tory ****.
I can somewhat see your point tbh. Like many Asians are racist towards each other and even against black people and it’s disgusting. Likewise, I found Mugabe’s farming reforms disgusting too. Please correct me if I misinterpret
What you say now is exactly what I mean. I've been about a bit, not as a tourist but living and working in different countries and racism is by no means a British post-colonial or White on Black monopoly. I'm sure you know and maybe have experienced yourself the animosity that can surface between Indians and Pakistanis, but whether that has a deeper root in religion or not I'm not sure.
But yes, I think we broadly understand each other on this.
She has done so by her policies but if she tells me that she is offended, then I would retract the statement and apologise
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