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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    I think people seem to forget how many seats Labour won in Corbyn's first general election. The media really went for him after that as he was seen as a viable threat, where he wasn't before (hence Theresa May calling the early GE predicting a landslide victory).
    And the media really went for him again in the last election, what's that saying, your only as good as your last deal..

    To be fair he was up again May , once the big blonde bombshell boy arrived he was finished , if only he had met May half way on voting for her deal ,had still be there now and appealing to the masses at Glasto ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And the media really went for him again in the last election, what's that saying, your only as good as your last deal..

    To be fair he was up again May , once the big blonde bombshell boy arrived he was finished , if only he had met May half way on voting for her deal ,had still be there now and appealing to the masses at Glasto ????
    "And the media really went for him again in the last election"

    Yeah... That's... Ummm... What I already said.

    Glasto has been cancelled by the way.

    I'm happy to be of service.

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Theres a lack of inspiration and aspiration so probably.
    From a man who copies and pastes more articles than most talking about lack of inspiration 😂😂

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    And they are soon going to see the results of their vote

    Dear mr johnson I have lost my job due to the virus and stress of isolation ......that's ok we have spent the last ten years bringing in this thing called universal credit .......its on its arse but good luck ......if you cant work due to ill health then apply for ESA ......its a bastard to get , people commit suicide going through the appeal process and even if they win we test them again after two years but there you go , you voted for it so too late to complain now
    Read the whole post before you jump on my next paragraph Sludge.

    ESA was of course brought in by the Labour Government.

    So was the process of the interviews.

    When I applied for my wife's DLA back in 2007/8 the interview process and I think the appeals process existed then but they were only carried out with a small percentage of claimants.

    Even so, when I was filling in the form I read many cases on the net of people who had failed the interview process and then usually had it overturned on appeal.

    It is worse now that the concept was widened by ESA so that most got interviews.

    It meant that when the Tories got in the door they were able to do something similar to DLA ( now PIP of course) much more quickly than they may otherwise have done.

    I will go through my experience of PIP separately. It would take too long now.

    Suffice to say that the interview process is ridiculous and needs a complete overhaul to prevent so many appeals which unsurprisingly overturn the original decision.

    Both parties bear responsibility for where we are now so both bear responsibilty for what has happened to people under ESA and PIP.

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I know this is a waste of time because you do hyperbole not evidence but... Any evidence of people admiring China?
    Your right however what one has noticed over the years of the lack of criticism of countries such as China ,Iran , Russia in favour of critical views of Israel, USA, and the UK under the Tories or Blair, yep it sounds very anti western

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    Read the whole post before you jump on my next paragraph Sludge.

    ESA was of course brought in by the Labour Government.

    So was the process of the interviews.

    When I applied for my wife's DLA back in 2007/8 the interview process and I think the appeals process existed then but they were only carried out with a small percentage of claimants.

    Even so, when I was filling in the form I read many cases on the net of people who had failed the interview process and then usually had it overturned on appeal.

    It is worse now that the concept was widened by ESA so that most got interviews.

    It meant that when the Tories got in the door they were able to do something similar to DLA ( now PIP of course) much more quickly than they may otherwise have done.

    I will go through my experience of PIP separately. It would take too long now.

    Suffice to say that the interview process is ridiculous and needs a complete overhaul to prevent so many appeals which unsurprisingly overturn the original decision.

    Both parties bear responsibility for where we are now so both bear responsibilty for what has happened to people under ESA and PIP.
    Do agree its not been solved by anyone left, central or right , and we know why .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Your right however what one has noticed over the years of the lack of criticism of countries such as China ,Iran , Russia in favour of critical views of Israel, USA, and the UK under the Tories or Blair, yep it sounds very anti western
    I don't agree with your observation - but even if it was true is there any surprise that posters concentrate on: the actions of our own government; our best international friend and ally (let's see how the Brexit trade deal turns out!); and the government of a racist state built on the embers of a UK mandate, protected by the UK and US for all its war crimes and nuclear weapons programmes, and represented in the heart of our main political parties in Westminster.

    If I ever get wound up about potholes I am more likely to complain about the ones in my street than the worse ones in Mumbai.

    That may seem anti-western to you and evidence of bias - but it is a very rational response to most of us!

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I don't agree with your observation - but even if it was true is there any surprise that posters concentrate on: the actions of our own government; our best international friend and ally (let's see how the Brexit trade deal turns out!); and the government of a racist state built on the embers of a UK mandate, protected by the UK and US for all its war crimes and nuclear weapons programmes, and represented in the heart of our main political parties in Westminster.

    If I ever get wound up about potholes I am more likely to complain about the ones in my street than the worse ones in Mumbai.

    That may seem anti-western to you and evidence of bias - but it is a very rational response to most of us!
    Considering your points about racist state, war crimes , nuclear weapons that exist in the UK and the USA , a lot of people ouside of this left tilting board would argue that those same injustices and agendas exist equally or more within the Chinas , Iran's and Russia's of this world, however their democracies are disgrace to its own people , the beauty of western civilisations it has democracy and freedom of speech , right to protest ,recognition of peoples rights , that cannot be said of the horror shows or China , Iran and Russia.

    And I repeat very little criticism exists on this board of China , Iran and Russia.

  9. #34

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    Well since socialism is just a method by which people exploit jealousy and resentment, it's not surprising that the most committed socialists are quite nasty people. Nor is it surprising that they have a lot to say, despite usually being quite bad at saying it.

    Really, socialism is all about moaning and negativity, and those who are attracted to it will continue to moan whatever happens because they don't do anything to help themselves and so they'll always be unhappy and thus keep moaning about it.

    I think it's more common here than it is in general society or amongst Cardiff City fans generally, but it's certainly depressing and if we consider the collective mindset of fans as it effects something like a football team, then it's certainly destructive to the positive attitude of that club. Fortunately it doesn't infect the playing staff or management structure, but it's there in the background.

    We've got a guy running a blog about the club who's got such a negative "know your place" outlook that it's definitely a stone around the neck of the club, and this seems to come from a leftist view of life.

    Personally I'm more concerned about a few worrying anti Semites who post here. I'm sure they're not representative , but some of the stuff they come out with is quite shocking, and as far as I can see they're all also leftists.

  10. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well since socialism is just a method by which people exploit jealousy and resentment, it's not surprising that the most committed socialists are quite nasty people. Nor is it surprising that they have a lot to say, despite usually being quite bad at saying it.

    Really, socialism is all about moaning and negativity, and those who are attracted to it will continue to moan whatever happens because they don't do anything to help themselves and so they'll always be unhappy and thus keep moaning about it.

    I think it's more common here than it is in general society or amongst Cardiff City fans generally, but it's certainly depressing and if we consider the collective mindset of fans as it effects something like a football team, then it's certainly destructive to the positive attitude of that club. Fortunately it doesn't infect the playing staff or management structure, but it's there in the background.

    We've got a guy running a blog about the club who's got such a negative "know your place" outlook that it's definitely a stone around the neck of the club, and this seems to come from a leftist view of life.

    Personally I'm more concerned about a few worrying anti Semites who post here. I'm sure they're not representative , but some of the stuff they come out with is quite shocking, and as far as I can see they're all also leftists.

    What a load of nonsense.
    You really haven't understood socialism or what socialists want at all have you?
    In my experience (and most people's I would imagine) committed socialists display a lot more care an empathy than those who are heavily committed to capitalism and the free market.
    I like the mario kart analogy to socialism, those at the back get more help.
    In much of the world today we see the exact opposite, to quote Edgar Bronfman

    To turn $100 into $110 is work. To turn 100 million into $110 million is inevitable.
    And to expand on that, to turn $100 to $1 million is practically impossible.

    Also the only antisemitism I've ever seen on here has come from people who are definitely not left wing.

  11. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    What a load of nonsense.
    You really haven't understood socialism or what socialists want at all have you?
    In my experience (and most people's I would imagine) committed socialists display a lot more care an empathy than those who are heavily committed to capitalism and the free market.
    I like the mario kart analogy to socialism, those at the back get more help.
    In much of the world today we see the exact opposite, to quote Edgar Bronfman



    And to expand on that, to turn $100 to $1 million is practically impossible.

    Also the only antisemitism I've ever seen on here has come from people who are definitely not left wing.

    Yeah I think I understand what socialism is and its 100% record of increasing rather than decreasing people's wealth health and Liberty.
    It's all very well quoting theorists about something which hasn't been tried yet, but socialism has been tried in various places for well over a century, and it's left millions dead in its wake without improving anything.

    I don't think it matters all that much at the point because it's now been pretty much universally rejected and there's no danger of another labour government for as long into the future as we can imagine.

    I don't want to start up the whole anti semitism thing here again, but my experience is that leftist posters are the ones who've defended or condoned it.

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Yeah I think I understand what socialism is and its 100% record of increasing rather than decreasing people's wealth health and Liberty.
    It's all very well quoting theorists about something which hasn't been tried yet, but socialism has been tried in various places for well over a century, and it's left millions dead in its wake without improving anything.

    I don't think it matters all that much at the point because it's now been pretty much universally rejected and there's no danger of another labour government for as long into the future as we can imagine.

    I don't want to start up the whole anti semitism thing here again, but my experience is that leftist posters are the ones who've defended or condoned it.
    You can only judge and what and who you know , I find very committed socialist are glass half full folk ,mainly middle aged older men , and my God they do moan .

  13. #38

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    The brains trust are punching away at that straw man again.

    Why are you two so obsessed with labels?

  14. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    The brains trust are punching away at that straw man again.

    Why are you two so obsessed with labels?
    No label just an observation in my own private life , doesn't make me any lesser of a person or them , anther trait I now note in this social media era the personal jibes and false character bites fly so quickly from the fingertips of left leaning keyboards,guess the home is a safe one

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    No label just an observation in my own private life , doesn't make me any lesser of a person or them , anther trait I now note in this social media era the personal jibes and false character bites fly so quickly from the fingertips of left leaning keyboards,guess the home is a safe one
    You use these kind of political labels more than anybody on this board.

  16. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    You can only judge and what and who you know , I find very committed socialist are glass half full folk ,mainly middle aged older men , and my God they do moan .


    Well of course that's the nature of socialism. People who've been unable or just unwilling to make the effort to have influence sit round complaining about the unalterable fact that the world's not perfect, and imagining how much better it'd be if they were in charge.

    Since they'll never be in charge of anything they can make extravagant claims about how great they'd make it. They're never going to actually get the chance to do any of it and so they'll never be expected to make good on the claims.

    It's like the Welsh Nationalists of the Green Party having policies about nuclear weapons etc. They can say what they like because they know they'll never be in any position to enact the policies

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well of course that's the nature of socialism. People who've been unable or just unwilling to make the effort to have influence sit round complaining about the unalterable fact that the world's not perfect, and imagining how much better it'd be if they were in charge.

    Since they'll never be in charge of anything they can make extravagant claims about how great they'd make it. They're never going to actually get the chance to do any of it and so they'll never be expected to make good on the claims.

    It's like the Welsh Nationalists of the Green Party having policies about nuclear weapons etc. They can say what they like because they know they'll never be in any position to enact the policies
    And most left wingers I know are employed in the safe haven of the public service arena .

  18. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And most left wingers I know are employed in the safe haven of the public service arena .
    What bastards. What do you do for a living?

  19. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    What bastards. What do you do for a living?
    self employed working hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And most left wingers I know are employed in the safe haven of the public service arena .
    Ah yes the old cliche of public v private sector straight out of the Daily Mail
    gammon handbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    self employed working hard
    Oh so you are a tax dodger then.

    These silly cliches and labels are so much fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And most left wingers I know are employed in the safe haven of the public service arena .
    I've never worked in the public sector and I know plenty of left wing people who don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Yeah I think I understand what socialism is and its 100% record of increasing rather than decreasing people's wealth health and Liberty.
    It's all very well quoting theorists about something which hasn't been tried yet, but socialism has been tried in various places for well over a century, and it's left millions dead in its wake without improving anything.

    I don't think it matters all that much at the point because it's now been pretty much universally rejected and there's no danger of another labour government for as long into the future as we can imagine.

    I don't want to start up the whole anti semitism thing here again, but my experience is that leftist posters are the ones who've defended or condoned it.
    do you.mean communism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    do you.mean communism?


    No, I meant what I said . There's no actual difference between the two and most communist regimes have called themselves "socialist" haven't they ?

    The variety of names they use is because they want to dissociate themselves from the last major **** up of a country under their whacky philosophy. In fact though it's all the same thing, and people have generally caught on to that fact by this point in time.

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    It is reasonable. You can grasp it. It’s simple.
    You’re no exploiter, so you’ll understand.
    It is good for you. Look into it.
    Stupid men call it stupid, and the dirty call it dirty.
    It is against dirt and against stupidity.
    The exploiters call it a crime.
    But we know:
    It is the end of all crime.
    It is not madness but
    The end of madness.
    It is not chaos,
    But order.
    It is the simple thing
    That’s hard to do.

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