Justice for George Floyd petition

[xsnaggle]

84% of white people murder victims in the USA are murdered by another white person.

What's your point?

The vast majority of people who are murdered knew the person who murders them. That's why professional hitmen get away with it, no connection.

[Croesy Blue]

The vast majority of people who are murdered knew the person who murders them. That's why professional hitmen get away with it, no connection.

Exactly.

The whole "black on black" argument is disingenuous anyway.

Unless people are racist enough to think black people are genetically more prone to violence then they should be ready to accept that there would be an issue with society causing it.

[trampie09]

Tell that to African Americans who face systemic racism that gets them more likely to be killed by the people meant to protect them, less economic opportunities, basically second class citizens. And that is after years of slavery and segregation

What about the North of Ireland then, weren't they second class citizens in their own country with less economic opportunities ?, wasn't there a form of holocaust perpetrated against those people from that island years earlier, I know an Irishman from a village who I heard tell a story where our soldiers pulled every male over 8 years old out of their houses and they were all executed and that was barely 200 years ago.

[xsnaggle]

What about the North of Ireland then, weren't they second class citizens in their own country with less economic opportunities ?, wasn't there a form of holocaust perpetrated against those people from that island years earlier, I know an Irishman from a village who I heard tell a story where our soldiers pulled every male over 8 years old out of their houses and they were all executed and that was barely 200 years ago.

And what about the Romans when they came here ans slaughtered all the supporters of Boudica.

I know a story of families living peacefully in northern Ireland who were dragged kicking and screaming from their houses and then made to watch the whole street burn, set on fire by members of the PIRA, and that wasn't anywhere near 200 years ago. And that is recorded fact not just a story.

[trampie09]

And what about the Romans when they came here ans slaughtered all the supporters of Boudica.

I know a story of families living peacefully in northern Ireland who were dragged kicking and screaming from their houses and then made to watch the whole street burn, set on fire by members of the PIRA, and that wasn't anywhere near 200 years ago. And that is recorded fact not just a story.

I don't tell stories, the bloke was from Killala ,the burning you described was usually the other way around, Bombay Street springs to mind.

[xsnaggle]

I don't tell stories, the bloke was from Killala ,the burning you described was usually the other way around, Bombay Street springs to mind.

Trust me it wasn't The other way round. I know, I was there!
But like your comment about 200 yrs ago in ireland it isn't really relevant to this.

[trampie09]

Trust me it wasn't The other way round. I know, I was there!
But like your comment about 200 yrs ago in ireland it isn't really relevant to this.

I don't trust you in the slightest, I responded to a post referring to things not just in the present but long ago, I gave examples of relevant issues from recent times as well as in the distant past.
Racism does not just effect black people.

[xsnaggle]

I don't trust you in the slightest, I responded to a post referring to things not just in the present but long ago, I gave examples of relevant issues from recent times as well as in the distant past.
Racism does not just effect black people.

I couldn't gife a toss whether you trust me or not frankly. But you better be careful about saying things like that on here. i said something similar and was put on the naughty step. appartently, according to the bible of CCMB all racist stems from Uk's colonial past. Everyone knows that.

[Croesy Blue]

Again anyone questioning it should educate themselves, this video is very helpful:

https://youtu.be/jQ_0bqWKO-k

[trampie09]

I couldn't gife a toss whether you trust me or not frankly. But you better be careful about saying things like that on here. i said something similar and was put on the naughty step. appartently, according to the bible of CCMB all racist stems from Uk's colonial past. Everyone knows that.

I should be alright on that score then as I wouldn't argue with CCMB if they thought that lots of UK racism stems from the UK's colonial past.

[adz-a32]

Again anyone questioning it should educate themselves, this video is very helpful:

https://youtu.be/jQ_0bqWKO-k

MTV Decoded is a great series on learning about racial matters

[Wash DC Blue]

It is all such a complicated intertwined paradigm that it’s tough for me to get my head and my emotions around.

It struck me and shocked me 18 years ago when I moved here how there seemed to be more racial undertones than in the UK.

To just blame racist police and other institutions is massively oversimplifying things.

It’s how black people are perceived, still today....as too different and a threat by so many people and how how these perceptions must understandably perpetuate the feeling of disenfranchisement and resentment that needs addressing.

Relative financial inequality is also another big factor that contributes to the cycle of problems and lord knows how to tackle that?

One can only hope that this whole sorry situation is the catalyst for positive change.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

It is all such a complicated intertwined paradigm that it’s tough for me to get my head and my emotions around.

It struck me and shocked me 18 years ago when I moved here how there seemed to be more racial undertones than in the UK.

To just blame racist police and other institutions is massively oversimplifying things.

It’s how black people are perceived, still today....as too different and a threat by so many people and how how these perceptions must understandably perpetuate the feeling of disenfranchisement and resentment that needs addressing.

Relative financial inequality is also another big factor that contributes to the cycle of problems and lord knows how to tackle that?

One can only hope that this whole sorry situation is the catalyst for positive change.

The ethos of the US seems to be to look after number one and to pay as little in tax as possible. In what other country do you find such a huge proportion of the population not demanding a universal health care system and not demanding a ban on personal firearms? And the US accounts for almost half of the personal gun ownership in the world, it is said. Political candidates (usually very old white men) need to prostitute themselves to raise the many millions of dollars it takes to run for election and many appointments in the judicial system are political. It's a sick society in many ways and those at the bottom suffer most.

[Wales-Bales]

The ethos of the US seems to be to look after number one and to pay as little in tax as possible. In what other country do you find such a huge proportion of the population not demanding a universal health care system and not demanding a ban on personal firearms? And the US accounts for almost half of the personal gun ownership in the world, it is said. Political candidates (usually very old white men) need to prostitute themselves to raise the many millions of dollars it takes to run for election and many appointments in the judicial system are political. It's a sick society in many ways and those at the bottom suffer most.

I'm so glad there's no inequality in the UK.

[lardy]

The ethos of the US seems to be to look after number one and to pay as little in tax as possible. In what other country do you find such a huge proportion of the population not demanding a universal health care system and not demanding a ban on personal firearms? And the US accounts for almost half of the personal gun ownership in the world, it is said. Political candidates (usually very old white men) need to prostitute themselves to raise the many millions of dollars it takes to run for election and many appointments in the judicial system are political. It's a sick society in many ways and those at the bottom suffer most.

I remember seeing a normal American woman being asked why she supported republican tax cuts for millionaires that would cost her money. She said because one day she might be a millionaire.

[Wales-Bales]

I remember seeing a normal American woman being asked why she supported republican tax cuts for millionaires that would cost her money. She said because one day she might be a millionaire.

You seem to think that your view of everything is the only one that counts.

[trampie09]

Seen Spike Lee on the box yesterday, giving a history lesson as regards the founding of the USA, genocide, stealing land and slavery.

[trampie09]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world...mpression=true
Talking of racism the above story has made the news today and has been described as anti Irish racism perpetrated in this case by the English, England has a state religion, the supreme Governor of the church of England is the Queen.
It's not just black people that suffer racism.

[Croesy Blue]

It is all such a complicated intertwined paradigm that it’s tough for me to get my head and my emotions around.

It struck me and shocked me 18 years ago when I moved here how there seemed to be more racial undertones than in the UK.

To just blame racist police and other institutions is massively oversimplifying things.

It’s how black people are perceived, still today....as too different and a threat by so many people and how how these perceptions must understandably perpetuate the feeling of disenfranchisement and resentment that needs addressing.

Relative financial inequality is also another big factor that contributes to the cycle of problems and lord knows how to tackle that?

One can only hope that this whole sorry situation is the catalyst for positive change.

All good points, it definitely runs much deeper than just the police.

[trampie09]

All good points, it definitely runs much deeper than just the police.

Talking of the police was the Cardiff 5 all black/mixed race ?, and didn't the eventual trial against the police collapse due to missing paperwork ?
There was all sorts of racism accusations against our police, were things ever put in place to prevent our police doing the same thing in the future ?, it's just not America there are problems.

[J R Hartley]

I see the UK protests have turned ugly. Let’s attack UK police because of some psychos on the American force. Crazy.

[blue matt]

I see the UK protests have turned ugly. Let’s attack UK police because of some psychos on the American force. Crazy.

The Biggest disappointment with these protests is that most seem to have forgotten that the world is under attack from Covid-19 and its not as if the BAME community is exempt from it

[adz-a32]

The Biggest disappointment with these protests is that most seem to have forgotten that the world is under attack from Covid-19 and its not as if the BAME community is exempt from it

The BAME community is affected more from COVID. You can look at the other side and say that the people protesting are taking on such a risk to protest

[blue matt]

The Biggest disappointment with these protests is that most seem to have forgotten that the world is under attack from Covid-19 and its not as if the BAME community is exempt from it

The BAME community is affected more from COVID. You can look at the other side and say that the people protesting are taking on such a risk to protest

I know thats why i posted about BAME, just looks suicidal to me

[J R Hartley]

The BAME community is affected more from COVID. You can look at the other side and say that the people protesting are taking on such a risk to protest

A very selfish risk when it’s not just their own lives they are risking.