UK Covid-19 death figures

[The Lone Gunman]

The figures for the UK today look pretty grim - an additional 359 deaths, compared to 159 in the USA and just 3 in Germany.

[the other bob wilson]

The figures for the UK today look pretty grim - an additional 359 deaths, compared to 159 in the USA and just 3 in Germany.

That American figure grows throughout the day though as the different states make their returns and I think it might be the same for Germany (although I'm sure their figure will be a great deal lower than ours). 359 is slightly lower than last week's midweek figures, but that seven day rolling average line for deaths is not dipping as quickly as it should is it.

[CCFCC3PO]

That American figure grows throughout the day though as the different states make their returns and I think it might be the same for Germany (although I'm sure their figure will be a great deal lower than ours). 359 is slightly lower than last week's midweek figures, but that seven day rolling average line for deaths is not dipping as quickly as it should is it.

The decision to ease lockdown is based on nothing more than politics. It's the good news to get rid of the bad news. It's also interesting that Facebook feeds seem to be getting very anti-immigration again. Strange how that seems to happen whenever Johnson is in a mess.

[lisvaneblue]

The figures for the UK today look pretty grim - an additional 359 deaths, compared to 159 in the USA and just 3 in Germany.

PHE says the way they record deaths changed on 1 June. May be something to do with it

[Heisenberg]

Yep, I’ve heard there is plenty of space in your head for the mouth to take up most of it

Your comebacks are almost as bad as your defence of the Tory Govt.

Speaking of comebacks... Does Boris ever ask for his back after you've brought him to completion?

[Croesy Blue]

Lisvane blue loves the tories more than I love anything in my life, I admire the dedication. He isn’t just licking the boots he’s deep throating them. An inspiration to us all.

[lisvaneblue]

Lisvane blue loves the tories more than I love anything in my life, I admire the dedication. He isn’t just licking the boots he’s deep throating them. An inspiration to us all.

Croesy Blue, what a load of absolute twaddle. If you're still taking the tablets, I suggest you stop.

[trampie09]

Sturgeon banned gatherings of over 500 people back in March, Bojo followed suit 4 days later.
Scotland said no new jury trials, England followed suit 6 days later.
Wales announced school closures first, England last.
Wales brought into law that employers had to enforce 2m distancing rule, don't think England have done that.
Wales stopped people going to beauty spots when England still allowed it.

Bojo and England are miles behind the Celts, Sturgeon shows leadership and Bojo follows but unfortunately for England often quite some time behind.

Bumped for lisvaneblue.

[lisvaneblue]

Bumped for lisvaneblue.

This supports what I’ve been saying all along. Healthcare, which of course includes the public health management of this pandemic in UK is devolved to the home countries. Each can do its own thing in its own time. Sometimes they have worked collaboratively and other times independently
What’s the issue?

[CCFCC3PO]

This supports what I’ve been saying all along. Healthcare, which of course includes the public health management of this pandemic in UK is devolved to the home countries. Each can do its own thing in its own time. Sometimes they have worked collaboratively and other times independently
What’s the issue?

I sort of switched off half way through your balanced support of the Tory Government, and criticism of the Labour Welsh Assembly, but are you still saying Wales could have locked down before England?

[lisvaneblue]

I sort of switched off half way through your balanced support of the Tory Government, and criticism of the Labour Welsh Assembly, but are you still saying Wales could have locked down before England?

Have a look at the Public Health Act 1984 which covers control of infectious diseases. It's a big document and includes many of the things that we talk of as Lockdown. Wales can and maybe should have used parts of the Act early on.
Posters have mentioned that the Covid Act 2020 included financial provision for the Lockdown, which could have stopped Wales moving forward independently.

[CCFCC3PO]

Have a look at the Public Health Act 1984 which covers control of infectious diseases. It's a big document and includes many of the things that we talk of as Lockdown. Wales can and maybe should have used parts of the Act early on.
Posters have mentioned that the Covid Act 2020 included financial provision for the Lockdown, which could have stopped Wales moving forward independently.

So you are still saying Wales could have instigated a lock-down earlier.

[trampie09]

This supports what I’ve been saying all along. Healthcare, which of course includes the public health management of this pandemic in UK is devolved to the home countries. Each can do its own thing in its own time. Sometimes they have worked collaboratively and other times independently
What’s the issue?

My post was in response to your post where you seemed to suggest that Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland was in agreement with what was going to happen and the timing of it, that does seem the case as major decisions were taken in many cases by the devolved administrations either solely or well before England did.

[lisvaneblue]

My post was in response to your post where you seemed to suggest that Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland was in agreement with what was going to happen and the timing of it, that does seem the case as major decisions were taken in many cases by the devolved administrations either solely or well before England did.

And the post you refer to stemmed from comments on this board that UK Gov was running the show via the Covid Act and finances linked to it.

We both agree that the responsibility for healthcare in Wales is devolved to the Senedd who can do what they want when they want in the interest of the health of the population of Wales

[trampie09]

And the post you refer to stemmed from comments on this board that UK Gov was running the show via the Covid Act and finances linked to it.

We both agree that the responsibility for healthcare in Wales is devolved to the Senedd who can do what they want when they want in the interest of the health of the population of Wales

They were not in agreement and certainly not in agreement over the timings of introducing measures, you clearly have that wrong.

As regards health being devolved it's crumbs off the table, the English don't pay for their old people that come here putting a strain on our services, calculations assume a head is a head is a head but that is not the case as some people are young and health and will often not need the health service at that stage but old people are more likely to need the health service and then there is the expense of providing rural services which needs to be taken into account, just a head count is not good enough.

[lisvaneblue]

They were not in agreement and certainly not in agreement over the timings of introducing measures, you clearly have that wrong.

As regards health being devolved it's crumbs off the table, the English don't pay for their old people that come here putting a strain on our services, calculations assume a head is a head is a head but that is not the case as some people are young and health and will often not need the health service at that stage but old people are more likely to need the health service and then there is the expense of providing rural services which needs to be taken into account, just a head count is not good enough.

When the lockdown was introduced on 23 March it was UK wide, which is why I said that all parties must have agreed to it. The messages were simple....Stay at home except for ....shopping for essentials etc etc. After that initial blanket directive tweaks and differences occurred through each of the home countries as you said.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

When the lockdown was introduced on 23 March it was UK wide, which is why I said that all parties must have agreed to it. The messages were simple....Stay at home except for ....shopping for essentials etc etc. After that initial blanket directive tweaks and differences occurred through each of the home countries as you said.

The UK Govt were too slow to act.

They introduced COVID19 legislation on the 10th February but we never went into lockdown for over a month after that. If that had acted sooner many lives would have been saved.

As for the Public Health Act 1984 there's a few issues with that:

1. It doesn't apply in Scotland and NI.
2. It acts as a vehicle for the Sec of State to make regulations such as those passed this year to halt the Coronavirus outbreak. It alone does not provide powers for authorities to do what they've done since the regulations were passed in March.

[lisvaneblue]

The UK Govt were too slow to act.

They introduced COVID19 legislation on the 10th February but we never went into lockdown for over a month after that. If that had acted sooner many lives would have been saved.

As for the Public Health Act 1984 there's a few issues with that:

1. It doesn't apply in Scotland and NI.
2. It acts as a vehicle for the Sec of State to make regulations such as those passed this year to halt the Coronavirus outbreak. It alone does not provide powers for authorities to do what they've done since the regulations were passed in March.

Covid Act 2020 became law 25 March

Public Health 1984 act applied Wales and England, so Wales could use it any time. Other home countries accomodated by the Covid Act. Its an act in its own right, and a powerful at that.

[trampie09]

When the lockdown was introduced on 23 March it was UK wide, which is why I said that all parties must have agreed to it. The messages were simple....Stay at home except for ....shopping for essentials etc etc. After that initial blanket directive tweaks and differences occurred through each of the home countries as you said.

Banning gatherings of over 500 people, stopping new jury trials, enforcing employers to adhere to 2m social distancing are not merely tweaks, they are major policy differences even if England did eventually follow some of them.

[Pearcey3]

England have the highest number of excess deaths amongst the home nations. Wales the lowest. Presumably Lisvane Blue is aware of this.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

England have the highest number of excess deaths amongst the home nations. Wales the lowest. Presumably Lisvane Blue is aware of this.

That's no surprise given the size of the population in each home nation. Perhaps you meant rate rather than number.

[lardy]

That's no surprise given the size of the population in each home nation. Perhaps you meant rate rather than number.

Yeah I'd be pretty worried if Wales didn't have a low number by comparison.

[lisvaneblue]

England have the highest number of excess deaths amongst the home nations. Wales the lowest. Presumably Lisvane Blue is aware of this.

Any death related to this virus is bad news. Wales does have some of the highest rates of the virus per capita in the UK, which again. is bad news

[trampie09]

I understand all of the above and not disputing any of it. If Wales government wants to work in tandem with Westminster or any other home country, allow letters, and other communication to take place in a unified approach such co-operation is to be applauded. So UK Gov is very influential but not directly responsible for the health of the people of Wales.

Dishes out the pocket money at below the going rate which limits what that pocket money can be spent on.

[Croesy Blue]

I've never seen anyone go to such lengths and jump for such hoops to defend something, it's actually ****ing mad how biased people can be.

Just because you voted for a party doesn't mean you have to defend everything they do, you can still agree with them on some things while criticising them where they deserve to be criticised.