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Thread: Protesting, and the power of the media.

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    Protesting, and the power of the media.

    I saw a photo of the Liverpool players in a circle on bended knees, apparently as a protests against the death of George Floyd. A nice gesture and shows us all what a kind, caring bunch of young men they are.

    But I wondered, why does no-one - least of all footballers, celebrities, the BBC, some mainstream newspapers, why not the slightest protest against the Chinese.

    What's happening in China is a massive affront to humanity. Forget HK and Huawei for the moment - this is a Country that has imprisoned a whole race of people, chained them up in groups of 10 in tiny cells, a bucket for a wc, whilst they are re-educated over a period of up to 20 yrs. Children included. Harvested their organs for transplants, wiped out languages, and that's before Tibet, Taiwan, and Vietnam.

    Perhaps it's the media. There are no 'pictures' from China to get angry about. But when I saw those Liverpool players in the centre circle I wondered if they even knew where China was.

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    I'd never even thought of that, it's a good point. The reeducation camps seem to get very little news, especially inside China where everything is carefully managed by the Government with regards to the media.

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    I think it's always been the case to be honest. In the UK we get fed what happens in 'the west' and everywhere else gets barely a second look.

    It's not right, but I don't think it's going to change any time soon.

    As you say, the atrocities in China deserve far more condemnation and I'd like to see it in the media more too.

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    I don't think it's all media to be honest people are selective and protesting against china is not as fashionable and cool has following the good ole US of A, if black lives really matter then the british black community should be out in their masses over gun / knife murder over the last ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    I don't think it's all media to be honest people are selective and protesting against china is not as fashionable and cool has following the good ole US of A, if black lives really matter then the british black community should be out in their masses over gun / knife murder over the last ten years.
    The masses don't tend to protest at crimes within society, they protest at crimes committed by the state, by those who's duty it is to protect them and uphold their interests. It's why you see mass outcry about people in power breaking lockdown rules but civilian individuals are not usually shamed.

    To write a sentence along the lines of "if black lives really matter then it should be proven to me by XXXX" is pretty shameful to be honest. Black lives do matter, your whattaboutery at its worst doesn't change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    The masses don't tend to protest at crimes within society, they protest at crimes committed by the state, by those who's duty it is to protect them and uphold their interests. It's why you see mass outcry about people in power breaking lockdown rules but civilian individuals are not usually shamed.

    To write a sentence along the lines of "if black lives really matter then it should be proven to me by XXXX" is pretty shameful to be honest. Black lives do matter, your whattaboutery at its worst doesn't change that.
    I agree that last line comes across as pretty disingenuous at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I saw a photo of the Liverpool players in a circle on bended knees, apparently as a protests against the death of George Floyd. A nice gesture and shows us all what a kind, caring bunch of young men they are.

    But I wondered, why does no-one - least of all footballers, celebrities, the BBC, some mainstream newspapers, why not the slightest protest against the Chinese.

    What's happening in China is a massive affront to humanity. Forget HK and Huawei for the moment - this is a Country that has imprisoned a whole race of people, chained them up in groups of 10 in tiny cells, a bucket for a wc, whilst they are re-educated over a period of up to 20 yrs. Children included. Harvested their organs for transplants, wiped out languages, and that's before Tibet, Taiwan, and Vietnam.

    Perhaps it's the media. There are no 'pictures' from China to get angry about. But when I saw those Liverpool players in the centre circle I wondered if they even knew where China was.
    You make fair points, I'd imagine it's got quite a lot do to with recognition. In the same way as what happened on 9/11 had such a big impact here even though more people than that die in terrorist attacks in the Middle East and elsewhere, it's easier to relate to the victims in the US. So, in terms of for example Liverpool - they have black players, black fans, black friends, I doubt any of them has ever met an Uyghur Muslim in their life so what's happening seems more "over there"

    That doesn't make it right though, what's going on in China is utterly disgraceful and there should be a consistent international outcry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    I don't think it's all media to be honest people are selective and protesting against china is not as fashionable and cool has following the good ole US of A, if black lives really matter then the british black community should be out in their masses over gun / knife murder over the last ten years.
    So your conclusion is that black lives don't matter? Trying to work out where you're going with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I saw a photo of the Liverpool players in a circle on bended knees, apparently as a protests against the death of George Floyd. A nice gesture and shows us all what a kind, caring bunch of young men they are.

    But I wondered, why does no-one - least of all footballers, celebrities, the BBC, some mainstream newspapers, why not the slightest protest against the Chinese.
    I'm amazed you have to ask this question. From the point of view of your average UK citizen, do you think the two situations are even remotely comparable?

    The fact is that pretty much everybody in the UK watches American films, watches American television, listens to American music, reads American books, watches American sports, etc. Whether we like it or not, we have a shared culture to a large degree. We speak the same language. According to our politicians, the two countries have a special relationship.

    The history of racism in America is very well-documented. Pretty much everyone in this country is aware of it or at least aware of certain aspects of it.

    Blatantly obviously, China and the Chinese people in general are a very different proposition as far as the average British citizen is concerned.

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    I can certainly sympathise but there's much more to protest about in the UK than George Floyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    The masses don't tend to protest at crimes within society, they protest at crimes committed by the state, by those who's duty it is to protect them and uphold their interests. It's why you see mass outcry about people in power breaking lockdown rules but civilian individuals are not usually shamed.

    To write a sentence along the lines of "if black lives really matter then it should be proven to me by XXXX" is pretty shameful to be honest. Black lives do matter, your whattaboutery at its worst doesn't change that.
    I didn't come up with the black lives matter slogan that's not down to me, the point I was trying to make was why protest in the UK right now for George Floyd when we have a couple of black lives every week being stabbed and killed.
    Also we're in a global pandemic of the likes we have never seen, so right now more than ever life matters, the last thing we need is thousands turning up and grouping together, it's a little contradictory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    I'm amazed you have to ask this question. From the point of view of your average UK citizen, do you think the two situations are even remotely comparable?

    The fact is that pretty much everybody in the UK watches American films, watches American television, listens to American music, reads American books, watches American sports, etc. Whether we like it or not, we have a shared culture to a large degree. We speak the same language. According to our politicians, the two countries have a special relationship.

    The history of racism in America is very well-documented. Pretty much everyone in this country is aware of it or at least aware of certain aspects of it.

    Blatantly obviously, China and the Chinese people in general are a very different proposition as far as the average British citizen is concerned.
    We buy, use, utilize, Chinese goods and services every second of our lives. In the real, tangible sense China is more real to our everyday lives than the USA. You mentioned 'watch, read, listens etc..'. That's exactly, 100% the point I was making - "the power of the media "..

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    We buy, use, utilize, Chinese goods and services every second of our lives. In the real, tangible sense China is more real to our everyday lives than the USA. You mentioned 'watch, read, listens etc..'. That's exactly, 100% the point I was making - "the power of the media "..
    Yes and one could well argue the Chinese record on human rights freedom of speach it's as bad or worse than the awful racism in the USA, no big protests though, even when you see what will soon be imposed on Hong Kong freedoms

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Yes and one could well argue the Chinese record on human rights freedom of speach it's as bad or worse than the awful racism in the USA, no big protests though, even when you see what will soon be imposed on Hong Kong freedoms
    So they’re both protests on freedoms, so why is one ok and the other not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    I didn't come up with the black lives matter slogan that's not down to me, the point I was trying to make was why protest in the UK right now for George Floyd when we have a couple of black lives every week being stabbed and killed.
    Also we're in a global pandemic of the likes we have never seen, so right now more than ever life matters, the last thing we need is thousands turning up and grouping together, it's a little contradictory.
    The question I think you need to ask yourself is when you see a group of people protesting because they're clearly angry and upset about something, why your reaction is to think of "what about, what about" reasons why they shouldn't, rather than thinking about why they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    So they’re both protests on freedoms, so why is one ok and the other not?
    I would politely disagree in HK case it's about authoritarian law being imposed by China in breach of international law. In the USA its poor police standards and racism ,which is unlawful but not carried out by a government on all of it's people as in the way China is too Hong Kong .

    I'm not saying any looting or rioting is okay and you can see a lot of the protests in Hong Kong are much more peaceful and restrained unlike in the USA where the yst cause is being highjacked by thugs in the name of black lives matter ,to me this us the distinct difference.

    Any peaceful protest is fine as long as its purposes is really meaningful and well intended , kicking shopkeepers to a pulp , burning property isn't so meaningful for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Any peaceful protest is fine as long as its purposes is really meaningful and well intended , kicking shopkeepers to a pulp , burning property isn't so meaningful for me.
    So you don't sympathise with anyone as long as they're civil. Surely protests as desperate as this are about demonstrating the issues they want.

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    It doesn't take a genius to work it out, the media are focussing on the event that they hope will end Trump's presidency. So far we have had Russia collusion, Mueller investigation, impeachment, Covid-19, riots & looting, all back to back with seamless anti-Trump press coverage, with probably more events to come between now and November.

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    So what makes you think that Trump is right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I would politely disagree in HK case it's about authoritarian law being imposed by China in breach of international law. In the USA its poor police standards and racism ,which is unlawful but not carried out by a government on all of it's people as in the way China is too Hong Kong .

    I'm not saying any looting or rioting is okay and you can see a lot of the protests in Hong Kong are much more peaceful and restrained unlike in the USA where the yst cause is being highjacked by thugs in the name of black lives matter ,to me this us the distinct difference.

    Any peaceful protest is fine as long as its purposes is really meaningful and well intended , kicking shopkeepers to a pulp , burning property isn't so meaningful for me.
    Wait you think the protests in Hong Kong were peaceful? I had to stop flying into Hong Kong for business trips because the British government deemed it unsafe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    So what makes you think that Trump is right?
    I was replying to the OP who questioned why one event would get more coverage than another. It's all about the narratives and agendas, and that is what the media specialise in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I saw a photo of the Liverpool players in a circle on bended knees, apparently as a protests against the death of George Floyd. A nice gesture and shows us all what a kind, caring bunch of young men they are.

    But I wondered, why does no-one - least of all footballers, celebrities, the BBC, some mainstream newspapers, why not the slightest protest against the Chinese.

    What's happening in China is a massive affront to humanity. Forget HK and Huawei for the moment - this is a Country that has imprisoned a whole race of people, chained them up in groups of 10 in tiny cells, a bucket for a wc, whilst they are re-educated over a period of up to 20 yrs. Children included. Harvested their organs for transplants, wiped out languages, and that's before Tibet, Taiwan, and Vietnam.

    Perhaps it's the media. There are no 'pictures' from China to get angry about. But when I saw those Liverpool players in the centre circle I wondered if they even knew where China was.
    What about the North of Ireland not that many years ago and English led UK involvement, you are talking China but you could be talking about our state, shoot to kill, internment, state collusion, gerrymandering.
    Then there is Iraq and Afghanistan wars look at our States behavior out there, you single out China fair enough but what about our lot are they any better ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I was replying to the OP who questioned why one event would get more coverage than another.
    That's not what he asked at all. His question was: "Why does no-one - least of all footballers, celebrities, the BBC, some mainstream newspapers..... protest against the Chinese."

    He seems oblivious to the blatantly obvious answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    We buy, use, utilize, Chinese goods and services every second of our lives. In the real, tangible sense China is more real to our everyday lives than the USA. You mentioned 'watch, read, listens etc..'. That's exactly, 100% the point I was making - "the power of the media "..
    It's got nothing to do with the power of the media. It's got everything to do with the way in which British culture is intertwined with American culture, and has been for centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It doesn't take a genius to work it out, the media are focussing on the event that they hope will end Trump's presidency. So far we have had Russia collusion, Mueller investigation, impeachment, Covid-19, riots & looting, all back to back with seamless anti-Trump press coverage, with probably more events to come between now and November.
    I know. Crazy isn't it the way the main stream media (and all the other media) concentrate on stuff like Presidential corruption, a virus pandemic that has killed over 100,000 Americans and almost overwhelmed the New York health system and country-wide protests at systemic racism. Even crazier that other countries' media cover the story too. It's not as if the USA is the most powerful country in the world, home of the world's biggest nuclear arsenal and the world's reserve currency, is it?

    At least we've got you to balance things up. We now know that Covid 19 is a Democrat hoax, that the George Floyd protests are just a cover for the anarchist/arsonist wing of the Antifa movement to trash the HQ of Trump loving CNN, and that the police who politely cleared the way for Trump's photo opportunity were using nothing but tickling sticks and air freshener. Oh yes, and the driver of the fuel truck that was accelerating towards the bridge full of peaceful protesters was just testing his brakes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    It's got nothing to do with the power of the media. It's got everything to do with the way in which British culture is intertwined with American culture, and has been for centuries.
    He clearly mentioned the BBC and mainstream newspapers, and that is where most people get their information that informs their opinions and view of the world..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I know. Crazy isn't it the way the main stream media (and all the other media) concentrate on stuff like Presidential corruption, a virus pandemic that has killed over 100,000 Americans and almost overwhelmed the New York health system and country-wide protests at systemic racism. Even crazier that other countries' media cover the story too. It's not as if the USA is the most powerful country in the world, home of the world's biggest nuclear arsenal and the world's reserve currency, is it?

    At least we've got you to balance things up. We now know that Covid 19 is a Democrat hoax, that the George Floyd protests are just a cover for the anarchist/arsonist wing of the Antifa movement to trash the HQ of Trump loving CNN, and that the police who politely cleared the way for Trump's photo opportunity were using nothing but tickling sticks and air freshener. Oh yes, and the driver of the fuel truck that was accelerating towards the bridge full of peaceful protesters was just testing his brakes!
    You were one of the main people on here pushing the Russia collusion hoax, so where were you getting your information from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You were one of the main people on here pushing the Russia collusion hoax, so where were you getting your information from?
    What collusion are you talking about ?, I see no one else talking about that on here only you, collusion is typically a two way thing, I don't see that with the Yanks and the Ruskies, I just see the Ruskies manipulating the hapless Yanks by running rings around them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    He clearly mentioned the BBC and mainstream newspapers, and that is where most people get their information that informs their opinions and view of the world..
    Yes pro Conservative party, pro Israel, pro the union state, pro the Monarchy, pro business over trade unions etc etc
    Welsh based experts did a study on the Beeb and few years ago and their findings were no surprise at all to me, to a lot of sheeple yes but there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    What collusion are you talking about ?, I see no one else talking about that on here only you, collusion is typically a two way thing, I don't see that with the Yanks and the Ruskies, I just see the Ruskies manipulating the hapless Yanks by running rings around them.
    Specifically the FBI Operation Crossfire Hurricane and the subsequent Mueller investigation. Jon's understanding of the situation matched what the major news outlets were putting out, which was essentially a false narrative.

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