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There was a black lady a few yards to my right as this feckwit was doing the nazi salute . There was no way as I was going to tell him to stop , I wanted him done so I told a steward who must have alerted CCTV and he was taken out at half time . He got fined and banned . If I had said something it could have ended up in a punch up .Originally Posted by William Treseder
Whats your point? Ate you saying that makes me a racist?If it had been a quip about a 103yr old woman who had just passed away it would be fine.
Back under your rock,
I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the enigma that is William.
On the one hand, a vigilante who singlehandedly stands up for black fans and footballers with no concern to his personal safety.
On the other hand, someone who spent days trying to figure out what was wrong with putting the above joke in a thread about black goalkeepers.
I've called out 'casual racism' in my local more than once. Needs to be done.
I did it a couple of times in pubs as well while thinking "Christ, I'm likely to get filled in here", but on both occasions, the racist backed down. The thing is though, it was only one person really on both occasions - both times he had mates with him, but on one of them at least, there were far more of us than them. I'm pretty certain I would not have been so brave at a game where I always sit with one person and it was a group of, say, five, who were shouting racist abuse.
There is no enigma. I, along with many others on here, have made similar attempted stabs at humour like that, only replace “blacks” for Scousers” and not a single accusation against me , or the many others, has been made.
All jokes about colour and creed are generalisations and stereotyping, otherwise they wouldn't work would they? Eg, Irish being thick, Scottish being tight, Welsh shagging sheep, Scousers career criminals, Scousers work shy etc etc,
I can, but if you cant differentiate attempted humour, and pure hatred, then its you who has a problem.
As for me being a vigilante who single handedly stands up for black fans and footballers with no concerns for my personal safety, then thats yours interpretation, not mine.
I have called out racists on many occasions, and i have got into trouble for doing it a few times, but I'm not daft, or a hero with super powers, and wouldn't approach a gang of racists for obvious reasons. .
If more people did it at games, it would help with eradicating it, at least at football stadiums.
Have people from liverpool or the Welsh been subject to slavery , beatings , lynchings over centuries and until recently been made to travel on segregated buses , been denied the vote and are you 6 times likely to be stopped by the police if you are welsh or from liverpool than if you are say from Norfolk?
The irish have certainly over history suffered discrimination and abuse and our language in Wales was the subject of an attempt to snuff it out in the 19th century but comparing our history and jokes about the people of liverpool to jokes about black people is absurd
In your world it is.
Last edited by William Treseder; 20-06-20 at 09:56. Reason: Grammar
Once the furore over BLM dies down, the game should reflect seriously in the disproportional representation of non Black BAME - there's a lack of Asian, Jewish et al footballers in the British game.
Sadly, I doubt that cause will be championed as much as BLM.
How about answering the questions I asked you? Would you take the knee if you were playing in the Premier League today and, if you wouldn't, why?
Why do people get so worked up about something that they deride as a pointless gesture? Seems like snowflake behaviour to me, but it can't because we all know that description only applies to young, over sensitive, types types don't we.
How about checking your old, white privilege when demanding others answer YOUR questions?
No, I'd not take the knee. What is the goal? Recognising racism? Well, duh... we all recognise there's racism. Kneeing isn't fixing it anymore than wearing "Black Lives Matter" on the back of shirts fixes it. Focus on constructive solutions rather than knee-jerk gestures aimed at looking yourself look good.
As for your last comment, pathetic. You carry on backing empty gestures rather than constructive solutions if it makes yourself feel good.
You mentioned 'white privilege'. For me, the irony of the protests/riots was the university-educated, middle-class, London-centric white protesters, and on the other site the ill-educated, mainly working-class, non- London white men on the other site. It perfectly summed up the hypocrisy of the whole BLM business. If you're white, working class, poorly educated, there's no-one shouting for you..
I must say Ronnie....... telling it........sorry ccfc fc is my life that you're definitely coming across as very snowflakish today.
Can I ask how me wanting you to answer a couple of questions is anything to do with my white privilege? Seems to me that you don't really understand the issue here.
As for your second paragraph, are you trying to say that you wouldn't join in with a gesture that is now supported by the NFL and, apparently, is not frowned on by the Premier League and other leagues throughout the world because you're more noble than those who are doing it?
Your "constructive solutions" appears to involve saying that you would do something in refusing to take the knee that would, for right or wrong, be seized upon by all sorts of people at the extremes of both sides of this argument for the wrong reasons - reasons that would, almost certainly, lead to a worsening of the situation.
banned in 3..2..1
funny as hell tho
Give Sludge a shout. He’ll willingly become offended on their behalf
Feck me theres some bollocks spouted on here
White blokes telling other white blokes that racism isnt a problem in wales despite our main centre of multi culturalism , butetown , being excluded from the rest of the city
Go to mermaid quay and it's all white people sucking on ice cream whilst half a mile away you have one of the country's most deprived communities living in tower blocks
And most people who live there are black , unlike the posters on here who tell us racism isnt a problem
Well, it wouldnt be for them , would it ?
A third of welsh school teachers report racist behaviour in the classroom
There is an excellent article written by sara robinson , a cardiff city fan who used to post on here , published in today's western mail ........its called the truth about racism in wales
In it she states that the physical wall separating butetown from the trendily called bay development kept the people of butetown segregated . The new bay are couldnt be less representative of cardiffs maritime cultural history if it tried .
There is not one statue dedicated to the people who helped build cardiff
Later on sara tells how she was walking in a city park and one of the other people in the park is black , he is stopped by the police .
On welsh Twitter a succession of white people , again fecking ironic , que up to post that racism isnt a problem in wales
Get off your knees, this is not america !
It is staggering arrogance for white welsh people to tell people from ethnic minorities living here that their experience is somehow imagined , exaggerated or invented .
How can white people who have never experienced persecution , racist taunts and jokes presume to be experts on how people who have and do experience it should feel or protest about it ?
The whitewashing of butetown extends to the workplace , our cultural life , our institutions
Black people are 8 times more likely to be stopped that white people
Racism may be less lethal , overt here but to deny it's a problem is to deny gravity , we continue to criminalise and discriminate against people of colour in 2020
We have a lot of work to do in wales before we are in any position to judge or tell protestors they have nothing to protest or that BLM is just a bunch of white middle class rich kids .....footage from the demo in cardiff shows people of all backgrounds and races were represented
An excellent article by sara , she is active on Twitter
As for the white working class none were born racist and your class does not make you a racist .
But you speak of the wall as if it was deliberately built to hide the black community from everyone, and of course you know very well that that is not true and never had been. The wall was built to keep people off the permanent way so the coal wagons could get to the docks and as part of the boundary wall of the bute west dock. and the Lady recounting the black man stopped by police in a park. I've never seen police in Cardiff randomly stop anyone, whether black yellow white [pink or green. They stop people when there is a need. But even then I've not seen it and certainly not against any particular group of people.
you talk about people spouting bollox, but you are just as guilty of it as anyone else when it suits your argument.
If you dont think black people are stopped in cardiff randomly then you must be a public relations officer for the force
Why would sara robinson , who you can contact on twitter , a fellow cardiff city fan make up a story about going for a walk in a park and seeing a black bloke get stopped by the police ?
If you think shes lying show your cards and tell her
Being “devils advocate” here, but sometimes all is not what it seems !!
About 5 years ago, there were a team of gypsy’s (yes, definitely) targeting houses in Rhiwbina and Llanishen. They had a WHITE VAN.
Now I live in Llanishen and at the time, I drove a WHITE VAN.
THREE times in one day I was stopped by different police officers whilst driving around Rhiwbina, as they were checking EVERY WHITE VAN.
Now maybe, just maybe, a crime had been committed in the area in question, where the black man was walking.
If the description of the offender was “a black man”, would not this justify questioning him.
It depends on what when on before.
Same as car accidents, someone caused it, and drives off, “no one sees what happened before”
I didn't say she was lying, I said I have never seen it in Cardiff. Never!!!!!! you're ultra defensive there aren't you sludge?
https://www.stop-watch.org/your-area/area/south-wales
Thank you very much
Do you think that the people on the cardiff demo BLM were university educated white middle class people ?
I would suggest you take a look at some of the tv coverage because it clearly shows you are incorrect
Several years ago the racist and fascist english defence league came to cardiff and over 1000 people from all races and backgrounds told them in no uncertain terms that they were not welcome . I was standing next to a cardiff lad of west indian descent and a white guy from grangetown who was a bricklayer . Betty Campbell one of the first west indian headteachers in the country was there with her family , there were people from the valleys , there were people of mixed race .
Now I know that you have an issue with BLM and you are entitled to that view however much I disagree with it but please dont label the movement as a bunch of bored liberal white university types as that's nonsense .
Laura McAllister, another cardiff city fan , from bridgend , who is professor at cardiff university wales governance centre and a former captain of wales international football team has also written an article on racism , particularly in sport .
Shes on twitter , it's an excellent read
Carolyn Hitt is rugby obsessed and writes for wales online and the western mail
Her rugby bias aside she is a very sharp journalist
She is also on twitter and has written several articles on the denial of racism in cardiff by the establishment who are essentially white males
Her documentary the rugby code breakers talks about butetown legends like billy Boston who went north after being ignored by wales
There were others , most of whom were black
They were accused of taking the money but in the documentary she suggests and many agree with her , that institutional racism was the core of the problem
There is even a statute of billy boston in wigan
Yet he was a tiger bay boy , a cardiffian , and no statue is here for him
Oh that was a long time ago say some
But that's been said so many times before
Cardiff has one of the oldest multi racial communities in the uk yet the denial of racism by white people in cardiff is as much a part of cardiffs history as tiger bay . Beatrice Campbell in her book Goliath wrote those words and they are very relevant .
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