Aeroplane Over The Etihad

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

That's funny, you've completely mis-interpreted what I said. Put it this way, I don't look to government/politics to determine every living breathing moment of my life. I also don't see them as the scapegoats for all that goes wrong in life.

You are a self made man , well done

But some people face prejudice and discrimination trying to get where you are and need to rely on government to help them out

[ccfc_is_my_life]

No I wont be marching against tax rises as we will need them . That's the point . The people who will be pissed off with the tax rises will be the rich .

I think the labour party has many people who are anti Zionist and I agree with much of what they say but this the labour party is anti semite is a load of old cobblers .

A government that raises taxes and distributes wealth is one I want , which is what I told you

Phews.

Cancel the EHRC investigation, Sludge the perv has solved the case!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Sludge.

Give up its not worth it.

The Burnley captain summed that banner up brilliantly.

Its not worth your time and energy.

Indeed the burnley captain was appalled at how his club was being dragged through the mud by right wing lump heads yet we have white cardiff city fans saying there was nothing wrong with the banner

[Swiss Peter]

I was actually referring to Emily pankhurst lol , who I thought threw herself under a horse but you are right , direct action is what I was implying

Agree with your general line on racism, but you're on thinner ice re the Suffragettes. Had you and the internet been around at that time you'd have been telling us if Emily was 'a sort' or not.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Agree with your general line on racism, but you're on thinner ice re the Suffragettes. Had you and the internet been around at that time you'd have been telling us if Emily was 'a sort' or not.

You can fancy women yet still want them to have equal pay .....which women still dont have .....equal rights , top jobs in society , business etc , the right to abortion

Women fancy blokes too you know and talk about sexy blokes on social media sites

[A Quiet Monkfish]

You are a self made man , well done

But some people face prejudice and discrimination trying to get where you are and need to rely on government to help them out

Nothing wrong with helping those who need it - children who look after their disabled parents for example. There was a programme on Radio 4 about 5yrs ago - these kids were having their ONE day to their own at a woodland retreat in Wales. You should have heard them. They were absolutely thrilled to bits. I'd help people like that every day of the week..

[Vindec]

No I wont be marching against tax rises as we will need them . That's the point . The people who will be pissed off with the tax rises will be the rich .

I think the labour party has many people who are anti Zionist and I agree with much of what they say but this the labour party is anti semite is a load of old cobblers .

A government that raises taxes and distributes wealth is one I want , which is what I told you

Yes you have told me that but fail to answer my response which asked which government of any persuasion anywhere has afforded to pay for the Utopian Society you believe is possible. At least we agree on the fact taxes will have to rise to pay for the COVID-19 episode but sadly that will not provide for the distribution of wealth you require. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

[blue matt]

Of course tax's will rise, then it will be " the Tories, always putting up taxes to punish the poor "

yet the same tories have handed out that money ( that they will need to claw back ) to help us all

the tory money tree isnt as good at labours

damned if they do damned if they don't

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Nothing wrong with helping those who need it - children who look after their disabled parents for example. There was a programme on Radio 4 about 5yrs ago - these kids were having their ONE day to their own at a woodland retreat in Wales. You should have heard them. They were absolutely thrilled to bits. I'd help people like that every day of the week..

What about people who face racial discrimination to get into management positions in the workplace

I mean we so often hear people say we want the best person for the job but that is clearly often not true

I have worked in welfare and housing in inner city oxford , bradford and cardiff. Most of the people coming in for advice and support were from the ethnic minorities.

Very few of the staff were from the ethnic minorities and I cant remember one senior member of staff or management of colour in all the years I worked

Some people , those carers you talked of , disabled people and others need a helping hand

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Of course tax's will rise, then it will be " the Tories, always putting up taxes to punish the poor "

yet the same tories have handed out that money ( that they will need to claw back ) to help us all

the tory money tree isnt as good at labours

damned if they do damned if they don't

Well it's their watch now

Silly feckers voted them in , now they have to live with it

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Yes you have told me that but fail to answer my response which asked which government of any persuasion anywhere has afforded to pay for the Utopian Society you believe is possible. At least we agree on the fact taxes will have to rise to pay for the COVID-19 episode but sadly that will not provide for the distribution of wealth you require. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

We will get a better distribution of wealth under a socialist liberal government than we will get under a conservative wealth

[xsnaggle]

We will get a better distribution of wealth under a socialist liberal government than we will get under a conservative wealth

And that redistribution of wealth will make everyone poorer and the people able to make thecountry richer will flee the country.

[xsnaggle]

Nor did Emmeline Davison.

But Sludge is referring to Emily Davison - and although her death wasn't the main event behind women getting the vote (although the film Suffragette implied it) it was a significant milestone. Direct action is often what provokes change when the talking is going nowhere!

How do you know he was referring to Emily Davidson? I doubt he actually knew her name until you posted it.

But he clearly was so intent on making his point that he didn't even stop to consider the point of what I said, (Although I agree it was fatuous) He was using Pankhurst wrongly to support his argument.
Emily Pankhurst never existed. (Or at least not in the realm of the suffragettes.)

[CCFCC3PO]

Of course tax's will rise, then it will be " the Tories, always putting up taxes to punish the poor "

yet the same tories have handed out that money ( that they will need to claw back ) to help us all

the tory money tree isnt as good at labours

damned if they do damned if they don't

Hopefully the burden will fall on those who used it more than those of us who haven't. I'd feel personally aggrieved having lost 40% of my wages (whilst still working), to find I have to then pay more taxes to subsidise people that I know have blankly refused to work, and self employed people who have worked and taken the cash handout.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

And that redistribution of wealth will make everyone poorer and the people able to make thecountry richer will flee the country.

That's according to libertarian economics

I dont agree with that school of thought

[CCFCC3PO]

That's according to libertarian economics

I dont agree with that school of thought

It's also according to people who have the nice things in life and don't want anyone else to get them.

[xsnaggle]

That's according to libertarian economics

I dont agree with that school of thought

Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

[CCFCC3PO]

Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but in your case it is the only form of wit.

[Heisenberg]

Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

Isn't that what the gammon call "fearmongering"?

[xsnaggle]

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but in your case it is the only form of wit.

Scaping the barrel now.

[xsnaggle]

Isn't that what the gammon call "fearmongering"?

I cannot answer that because I have no idea what a Gammon or the Gammon is/are supposed to be, and i have no inclination what so ever to look it up. I hope that won't change my life. It does seriously not bother me one iota!

[trampie09]

I cannot answer that because I have no idea what a Gammon or the Gammon is/are supposed to be, and i have no inclination what so ever to look it up. I hope that won't change my life. It does seriously not bother me one iota!

White right wing English nationalist, Brexit fan, GSTQ fan, Conservative fan .

[Heisenberg]

I cannot answer that because I have no idea what a Gammon or the Gammon is/are supposed to be, and i have no inclination what so ever to look it up. I hope that won't change my life. It does seriously not bother me one iota!

I'll rephrase it for your benefit

Isn't that what the pro-Brexit folk call "fearmongering"?

[az city]

And that redistribution of wealth will make everyone poorer and the people able to make thecountry richer will flee the country.

What expertise/evidence are you offering here? Or are you guessing as usual?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

You do realise it is possible to redistribute wealth and create a better society without stripping the top earners dry and turning them into beggars ?

Loads of people dont agree with capitalist economic theory wether you care a toss or not