Aeroplane Over The Etihad

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https://www.facebook.com/10003387571...80EHV&d=n&vh=e

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Aye , an equal , sharing society

You clearly dont want that , I understand

Why do you assume I don't want it? What knowledge or right do you have to make that assumption? Or did you just decide it based on your own prejudices?

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Why do you assume I don't want it? What knowledge or right do you have to make that assumption? Or did you just decide it based on your own prejudices?

Based upon you continual anti left wing posts on here , day in day out

You never miss a chance to have a go at socio liberal thought and parties supporting such thought

I think it's a fair assumption

[cyril evans awaydays]

No worries, the time zone difference is probably a bigger ball ache than getting the food I want.
Anyway here you go, some could be subjective down to your interpretation “Comrade” xx


Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades

We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege

We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure

When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking

I am not sure that webpage even in your summarised format turns BLM into Anarcho-Communists. It is an assault on the English Language though. BLM would do well to spend a little bit of those donations on someone who can write and draw people in rather than that pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

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Based upon you continual anti left wing posts on here , day in day out

You never miss a chance to have a go at socio liberal thought and parties supporting such thought

I think it's a fair assumption

There's a certain irony in this post.

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Based upon you continual anti left wing posts on here , day in day out

You never miss a chance to have a go at socio liberal thought and parties supporting such thought

I think it's a fair assumption

It's a completely incorrect assumption. I don't continually post anti-left wing things, but your take on every post is that if it isn't very left wing then it is wrong. It colours your take and that colours your assumptions.
I've personally seen and had to deal with the deprivation and misery caused by communist governments and a lot of the left wing in UK are not very far removed from them, and if they had their way would take this country to the perfect left wing paradise that was the USSR or present day Venezuela.
I have no problem at all with the labour party (it was a labour government that gave me my first ever very real pay rise ) but I do have a problem with far left wing people and organisations with only the purpose of disrupting and destroying proper democratic government in this country. You may say they just want a fairer society but you can go as far back as the crap that went on in Liverpool years ago, where the main union leader later admitted that it had nothing to do with getting better conditions for the workers the called out on strike but was all left wing politically driven to bring down the government of the UK. I think the likes of the leadership of momentum are doing exactly that and the ordinary people who support them think they are doing something far different and more noble. They are basically dreaming of the communist society that has been discredited years ago.

As for levelling things, you cna only ever level things down, you cannot level them up.

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In america the bible bashing right wing lunatics have labelled black lives matters commies

And as is usual the right wing over here are following them

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In america the bible bashing right wing lunatics have labelled black lives matters commies

And as is usual the right wing over here are following them

Bible bashing right wingers are as bad as red flag waving left winger and both are they are equally dangerous to a free society.

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It's a completely incorrect assumption. I don't continually post anti-left wing things, but your take on every post is that if it isn't very left wing then it is wrong. It colours your take and that colours your assumptions.
I've personally seen and had to deal with the deprivation and misery caused by communist governments and a lot of the left wing in UK are not very far removed from them, and if they had their way would take this country to the perfect left wing paradise that was the USSR or present day Venezuela.
I have no problem at all with the labour party (it was a labour government that gave me my first ever very real pay rise ) but I do have a problem with far left wing people and organisations with only the purpose of disrupting and destroying proper democratic government in this country. You may say they just want a fairer society but you can go as far back as the crap that went on in Liverpool years ago, where the main union leader later admitted that it had nothing to do with getting better conditions for the workers the called out on strike but was all left wing politically driven to bring down the government of the UK. I think the likes of the leadership of momentum are doing exactly that and the ordinary people who support them think they are doing something far different and more noble. They are basically dreaming of the communist society that has been discredited years ago.

As for levelling things, you cna only ever level things down, you cannot level them up.

You confuse true socialism with extreme communism where people like hitler and stalin merged into one

Your opening line suggested I was wrong in my assumption then you went on a historical diatribe which outlined I was probably right after all

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In america the bible bashing right wing lunatics have labelled black lives matters commies

And as is usual the right wing over here are following them

Yet another generalisation. Anyone who dares offer an alternative view to anything gets hammered with generalisations. Just because somebody offers an alternative view doesn't mean they are right wing. It's similar to your Tory scum comments just because some might disagree with a particular Labour policy or an adverse post about their leadership.

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Bible bashing right wingers are as bad as red flag waving left winger and both are they are equally dangerous to a free society.

You reckon ?

Bible bashing right wingers kill doctors at abortion clinics and in the deep south are often members of the KKK

I dont know of any left wing groups that kill medical people and are members of race hate groups

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You reckon ?

Bible bashing right wingers kill doctors at abortion clinics and in the deep south are often members of the KKK

I dont know of any left wing groups that kill medical people and are members of race hate groups

They may not be dangerous in the same way but still just as dangerous, often in more insidious ways.

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Yet another generalisation. Anyone who dares offer an alternative view to anything gets hammered with generalisations. Just because somebody offers an alternative view doesn't mean they are right wing. It's similar to your Tory scum comments just because some might disagree with a particular Labour policy or an adverse post about their leadership.

They almost always are though

Arguing thread after thread that all lives matter when we know that they do but in this current context the thrust is black lives matter ......arguing the toss and even supporting this idiotic racist burnley fan flying that banner ......if these people are not right wing I am a fecking jack

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They may not be dangerous in the same way but still just as dangerous, often in more insidious ways.

In what way are people who fly the red flag at black lives matter dangerous in an insidious way ?

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You confuse true socialism with extreme communism where people like hitler and stalin merged into one

Your opening line suggested I was wrong in my assumption then you went on a historical diatribe which outlined I was probably right after all

But again you see it from your entrenched positition. You were wrong. I wasn't talking about 'extreme' communism just the normal sort, the sort that ensured that when my wife was growing up in that egalitarian level playing field society her staple diet was potatoes and bread because there wasn't much else, and the only soaps available were white green or black and they were all horrible.(I could go on)
People from the left wing in UK and other well-to-do countries see communist places as the perfect utopian society, but the reality is far from that,. The problem is they wish to put the country into that without ever having had the misfortune of experiencing the real results themselves. and you are one of them.

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But again you see it from your entrenched positition. You were wrong. I wasn't talking about 'extreme' communism just the normal sort, the sort that ensured that when my wife was growing up in that egalitarian level playing field society her staple diet was potatoes and bread because there wasn't much else, and the only soaps available were white green or black and they were all horrible.(I could go on)
People from the left wing in UK and other well-to-do countries see communist places as the perfect utopian society, but the reality is far from that,. The problem is they wish to put the country into that without ever having had the misfortune of experiencing the real results themselves. and you are one of them.

Are we comparing the real results of capitalism with the real results of communism ?

Or are we comparing the real results of capitalism with the real results of socialism ?

Because all we have ever had is capitalism and a twisted view of communism

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Are we comparing the real results of capitalism with the real results of communism ?

Or are we comparing the real results of capitalism with the real results of socialism ?

Because all we have ever had is capitalism and a twisted view of communism

My wife didn't have a twisted view of communism, she experienced it first hand and it was not good in any way!!!

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My wife didn't have a twisted view of communism, she experienced it first hand and it was not good in any way!!!

No , u misunderstand

If your wife was say from the eastern block in the seventies , that form of communism implemented by the Soviet union and its sister countries or indeed in some african countries , was a twisted extreme form of communism

Not your wifes experiences , the system


We do not have many examples of true socialism . The right say that's because it's never worked . I would argue nor has capitalism .

I still think you are anti left though , whatever you say

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No , u misunderstand

If your wife was say from the eastern block in the seventies , that form of communism implemented by the Soviet union and its sister countries or indeed in some african countries , was a twisted extreme form of communism

Not your wifes experiences , the system


We do not have many examples of true socialism . The right say that's because it's never worked . I would argue nor has capitalism .

I still think you are anti left though , whatever you say

The USSR was set up by revolution so that the people could have the pure form of communism (not extremism) that you espouse but in reality it never works, because you have to have leaders and followers, the high and the low, otherwise everything falls into rotten decay.
When the Russians were buying grain from the USA in the middle of the cold war they had more than enough being grown to feed themselves but it was rotting in railway wagons because someone wouldn't pay someone else to fix the movement schedule to make sure it got to the market. corruption was rife at all levels from the lowest bureaucrat upwards, all people trying to better themselves at the expense of the people who needed their services or patronage. sound familiar? And in many of the old soviet satellite countries that same corruption is still on-going, and still holding people back from having anything even remotely close to what we regard as a 'normal' life. Because the people who held the power in the communist regime still hold it and don't want to let the system go because it benefits them and keeps them on top of the pile, even when that is (and it often is) a pile of shit.

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They almost always are though

Arguing thread after thread that all lives matter when we know that they do but in this current context the thrust is black lives matter ......arguing the toss and even supporting this idiotic racist burnley fan flying that banner ......if these people are not right wing I am a fecking jack

I don't think everyone who offered an alternative view supported the Burnley fan.I certainly didn't and said "I don't like the white lives matter slogan either but that's not the point."

I think you are generalising again.

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The USSR was set up by revolution so that the people could have the pure form of communism (not extremism) that you espouse but in reality it never works, because you have to have leaders and followers, the high and the low, otherwise everything falls into rotten decay.
When the Russians were buying grain from the USA in the middle of the cold war they had more than enough being grown to feed themselves but it was rotting in railway wagons because someone wouldn't pay someone else to fix the movement schedule to make sure it got to the market. corruption was rife at all levels from the lowest bureaucrat upwards, all people trying to better themselves at the expense of the people who needed their services or patronage. sound familiar? And in many of the old soviet satellite countries that same corruption is still on-going, and still holding people back from having anything even remotely close to what we regard as a 'normal' life. Because the people who held the power in the communist regime still hold it and don't want to let the system go because it benefits them and keeps them on top of the pile, even when that is (and it often is) a pile of shit.

Well I agree with that and the Soviet form of society is not what I am talking about , clearly

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I don't think everyone who offered an alternative view supported the Burnley fan.I certainly didn't and said "I don't like the white lives matter slogan either but that's not the point."

I think you are generalising again.

I think the evidence of peoples political persuasions has been prominent during the threads on black lives matter and the burnley banner .

Do I think everyone who is against black lives matter is a goose stepping nazi ? No

But in society I think it's fair to say that many of them are

Do I think everyone who is a tory only cares about themself ?

No

But let's look at it this way

Why do the conservative party and their followers never organise a march against child poverty ?

Why no conservative party marches against the devastating effects of benefit reform ?

Why no conservative party representation on the black lives matter protests ?

Why do the conservatives never protest about the shocking state of the social services system ?

I think it's pretty obvious , they support so many of these policies

I sincerely hope if any tory voters who lose their job or house have plenty of savings because if they need to go cap in hand to the government for housing benefit or other welfare they will find the system they have voted for doesnt give a feck

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I think the evidence of peoples political persuasions has been prominent during the threads on black lives matter and the burnley banner .

Do I think everyone who is against black lives matter is a goose stepping nazi ? No

But in society I think it's fair to say that many of them are

Do I think everyone who is a tory only cares about themself ?

No

But let's look at it this way

Why do the conservative party and their followers never organise a march against child poverty ?

Why no conservative party marches against the devastating effects of benefit reform ?

Why no conservative party representation on the black lives matter protests ?

Why do the conservatives never protest about the shocking state of the social services system ?

I think it's pretty obvious , they support so many of these policies

I sincerely hope if any tory voters who lose their job or house have plenty of savings because if they need to go cap in hand to the government for housing benefit or other welfare they will find the system they have voted for doesnt give a feck

What have marches got to do with anything? Most get hijacked by either the hard right or extreme left which at best dilute the message. Perhaps in your Utopian world you don't have to think about how government finances are organised and that the State must pay for everything. Wouldn't it be great if child poverty, and all the other things you mention could be reformed but that is unrealistic unfortunately ( aside from the BLM situation) given the state of government finances. It's very easy to protest and go on marches without thinking about how these things are to be funded. Nobody would disagree with the aspirations you have highlighted but where is the money to come from; increased taxation perhaps but that introduces a new set of problems such as higher unemployment. Tell me which government left or right who can afford to pay for the Utopian Society you believe would or even could exist under Labour?

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If this had been a ' Rainbow over the Etihad ' would we having all this fuss

I doubt it but why didn't that Burnley tosser think about displaying that rather than his racist garbage?

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I think the evidence of peoples political persuasions has been prominent during the threads on black lives matter and the burnley banner .

Do I think everyone who is against black lives matter is a goose stepping nazi ? No

But in society I think it's fair to say that many of them are

Do I think everyone who is a tory only cares about themself ?

No

But let's look at it this way

Why do the conservative party and their followers never organise a march against child poverty ?

Why no conservative party marches against the devastating effects of benefit reform ?

Why no conservative party representation on the black lives matter protests ?

Why do the conservatives never protest about the shocking state of the social services system ?

I think it's pretty obvious , they support so many of these policies

I sincerely hope if any tory voters who lose their job or house have plenty of savings because if they need to go cap in hand to the government for housing benefit or other welfare they will find the system they have voted for doesnt give a feck

You always have to bring party politics into every single thread/post. I couldn't give a **** who's 'running the country'. They're all useless and I'll just carry on getting on with my life and my family as I have done for six decades..