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Anecdotes? I have never worked in West Bute Street but I have seen many examples of overt racism. I was at college with a guy who was in the BNP (Chelsea fan) who constantly reminisced about beating up "pakis" in Southall. Utterly vile. Don't tell me there is no racism in the UK.
Have you heard of "institutionalized" racism? It's difficult to "see" but it's pervasive. How do you intend to intervene?
Closer to home went on a supporters club bus from bridgend to coventry to see cardiff
As we were driving through hill fields, a predominantly asian area of coventry several guys on the bus banged the windows when we passed an asian person and one was mocking the accent of an asian shop keeper saying " get out of my shop " , about as racist as you can get suggesting all corner shops are run by Pakistanis.......which is bollocks as most of them are run by patels , indian people
I fecking blew my top turned round and said you are all wankers coming out with all that racist crap , this is a supporters club bus ff sake , it's got a code of conduct , reported em to steward , he did feck all so I went back to my seat gave em the finger and sat down , one twat said oh it's only a joke mun so I told him to feck off as well
Reported it to supporters club , heard nothing
It's a shame, but I feel like have to post this again.
I took a lot of time to put my last message to you together, but reading this reply, I feel like it was time wasted. I'm just going to say one more thing on "gammon" and then I'm finished with this particular discussion.
There was something on Twitter and You Tube a few years back highlighting about ten of the audience in an episode of Question Time whose appearance was very similar - they were all middle aged or older, they were all men, they all had ruddy complexions, they all appeared to be very agitated and they all had the same opinion on Brexit.
Now, if they had all been sat together and right in the middle of them was a black man who was agreeing with everything they were saying and then said his piece to great applause from the others, then I wouldn't think to myself "they're gammon except for the black bloke", I would just think "they're gammon", so, for me at least, the colour of the skin is not as important as their opinion.
Moving on to more general matters, it seems to me that there are a lot of people who think of a racist as someone who behaves and speaks in a manner which says they may as well have "I'm a racist" stamped to their forehead. I'll admit that until their last few weeks, I was one of them, but I'd say that one of the lessons from the aftermath of George Floyd's death is that the penny has dropped for at least some of those who thought that - racism is more subtle than that and I'm coming around to thinking that "institutionalised racism" is not too strong a description for what we have in this country.
I accept that many of those saying that they aren't racist are being genuine when they say that - they abhor the sort of stereotypical racist I mentioned above, but the problem some of them apparently have with the concept of BLM is revealing. On the radio yesterday I heard the thinking behind BLM alluded to in a way which, for me, captured what that movement is about - when people said "save the whale", was it taken to mean that they meant it should be saved at the expense of every other species? Of course they didn't, that didn't need saying and yet some are expecting that needless proviso from BLM backers now.
I've just read through this thread and will make a few comments:
I am surprised that no-one has mentioned the fact that a few days ago three white people were murdered by a Libyan terrorist, and a lot more were injured. All were white. Was it a racist attack or just coincidence?
A few years a go I went to get some specialist work done to a satellite system. It was in Birmingham. Other than the staff at the centre I saw no white people in the few hours I was there. I went to a shop to get a newspaper and I was laughed at for requesting an English language newspaper. I felt uneasy and was completely at odds in the area.
The proprietor at the centre told me that he no longer takes work on a Friday because he's close to a mosque and people's cars completely black the entrance to his workshop. He made it clear that the locals want him out of the area so that they can expand the mosque. It was racism but turned on its head
If black people feel as uneasy as I did when in predominantly white areas they have my complete sympathy.
Eric, I've got black friends, always have. I'm from Grangetown. But you say BLM and Premier League plaster it over every shirt, say WLM and Burnley want to ban the fan for life. Absolute ridiculous. BLM are a far left party, hence the support for them by many on here. Fact, black lives lost to murder are committed by other blacks. Riot and looting in the apartment store in US after the killing was black people. Rioting over here, pulling down statues, demanding others are taken down, Churchill needed to be boarded up. No, this BLM movement needs crushing. They are big trouble brewing. Enoch was right all those years ago.
More than 50 years have passed since Enoch Powell made his so-called 'Rivers of Blood' speech and in that speech he quoted someone saying to him that "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".
All in all, Powell wasn't right at all.
Black people are seeking equality and justice. They are hardly making the River Tiber foam with blood, which was something else that he alluded to.
Not interested in the rest of your post but it wasn't that guy's fault, he had mental health issues that the NHS hadn't addressed because of the mishandling of the virus, and he wouldn't have been able to stab so many so quickly if they had been properly observing lockdown social distancing and been at least 2 metres apart.
No charges for the time being, probably for the best.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ircraft-banner
Police say Burnley 'White Lives Matter' stunt not a criminal offence
Lancashire police say ‘there are no criminal offences that have been disclosed at this time’
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And a quote from Marx to lighten the mood...
Humanity is not at its best when racist. A madness at the heart of racism
was captured in a letter Groucho Marx wrote to an exclusive country
club that had just barred his family from its swimming pool as it did not
admit Jews. Marx wrote to the club, referring to his daughter Melinda,
and asked, ‘Since my daughter is only half-Jewish would it be alright if
she went in the pool only up to her waist?’
The Burnley captain was superb.
Really depressing reading some of these posts.