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Thread: Warnock to Boro

  1. #51

    Re: Warnock to Boro

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    What a wonderful lot of fans we are.
    Why, because some people have a negative opinion of a former manager? Am I not being factual when I saw that Neil Warnock inherited a side that was twenty third in the Championship and just over three years later, left the club with the team in fourteenth place in the same division? Even if you disregard the money spent on Emiliano Sala, transfer expenditure exceeded income by tens of millions of pounds under Warnock to bring about that nine place climb.

    I think the above is all fact, but my opinion is that he had a lot of time to turn things around in 16/17 - he did more than that though. Warnock laid the foundations for the unlikely 17/18 promotion and he would have been regarded as probably our greatest ever manager if he had left in the summer of 2018, but his limitations were, predictably, exposed in the Premier League. Worst of all for me, in the first three months of 19/20, he had lost that knack he had of putting together, effective, winning Championship sides and he had done so while playing a mind numbingly boring brand of football that is only justified if and when his team is winning.

  2. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    What a wonderful lot of fans we are.
    Does anyone know if they do humour or personality transplants on the NHS?

    If not, can we start a justgiving / crowdfunding page for Els?

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Why, because some people have a negative opinion of a former manager? Am I not being factual when I saw that Neil Warnock inherited a side that was twenty third in the Championship and just over three years later, left the club with the team in fourteenth place in the same division? Even if you disregard the money spent on Emiliano Sala, transfer expenditure exceeded income by tens of millions of pounds under Warnock to bring about that nine place climb.

    I think the above is all fact, but my opinion is that he had a lot of time to turn things around in 16/17 - he did more than that though. Warnock laid the foundations for the unlikely 17/18 promotion and he would have been regarded as probably our greatest ever manager if he had left in the summer of 2018, but his limitations were, predictably, exposed in the Premier League. Worst of all for me, in the first three months of 19/20, he had lost that knack he had of putting together, effective, winning Championship sides and he had done so while playing a mind numbingly boring brand of football that is only justified if and when his team is winning.
    Please don't lecture me Bob.

    I am fully aware of the above funnily enough.

    I know he has his limitations and stayed too long. Happens to many managers.

    (Jimmy Scoular one of my favourite managers probably should have gone about a year before he did. And the way manager are treated these days he would never have been at the club for our famous Cup winners cup run.)

    But Warnock had two good seasons and took us up with a side that probably shouldn't have been near promotion
    .
    And even though the premiership season was unsuccessful at least we made a go of it until the last couple of games.

    Anyone reading your first paragraph would think we had spent three years footling around in the Championship not that we were promoted in one and spent the second in the Premier League!

    The points you make a reasonable ones in a thread discussing why a manager should be sacked or indeed had just been sacked. They are the times to best express negativety

    All this thread was for people to wish an ex manager in his new job.

  4. #54

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    He’s like a relative that you love but want to smash in every single darts game you play

  5. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    The statistics for a hopeful long ball punted down the channel could get it’s own Sky TV special after this game.
    Seagulls get the other 40% possession!

  6. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    Please don't lecture me Bob.

    I am fully aware of the above funnily enough.

    I know he has his limitations and stayed too long. Happens to many managers.

    (Jimmy Scoular one of my favourite managers probably should have gone about a year before he did. And the way manager are treated these days he would never have been at the club for our famous Cup winners cup run.)

    But Warnock had two good seasons and took us up with a side that probably shouldn't have been near promotion
    .
    And even though the premiership season was unsuccessful at least we made a go of it until the last couple of games.

    Anyone reading your first paragraph would think we had spent three years footling around in the Championship not that we were promoted in one and spent the second in the Premier League!

    The points you make a reasonable ones in a thread discussing why a manager should be sacked or indeed had just been sacked. They are the times to best express negativety

    All this thread was for people to wish an ex manager in his new job.
    So far you've posted two messages in this thread, what was the first one about? I took it that you were talking about replies that you thought were disrespectful to our former manager. Judging by the last sentence in your reply to me, I think I was right, but I don't understand why you thought any negative comments were going against the spirit of the thread when I'd say that the first one which could tie in with your interpretation would be the ninth one and even then all Welshlad said was that he would keep Boro up (something I agree with). I think your opinion of what this thread is meant to be about is at odds with most of its contents, hence my surprise at your first message.

  7. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Why, because some people have a negative opinion of a former manager? Am I not being factual when I saw that Neil Warnock inherited a side that was twenty third in the Championship and just over three years later, left the club with the team in fourteenth place in the same division? Even if you disregard the money spent on Emiliano Sala, transfer expenditure exceeded income by tens of millions of pounds under Warnock
    You could argue that Alex Ferguson took a team that finished fourth, left one that finished 7th and spent a fortune in the process. Warnock achieved something with us, and did so against the odds. Of course we can pick holes in his prem season, but that we got there at all is quite something. I do agree he should have gone after the win against Utd; but it is possible to see why he, and the club, felt that leaving a champ promotion specialist in charge was far from stupid. Especially when the overriding sentiment was that our transfer activity in preparation for the prem season was undertaken with half an eye on fighting a promotion campaign the year after.

    I wish him all the best

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    I expect Warnock to get Boro out of trouble - lifting morale, back to defensive basics and 'pragmatic' football.

    But when he left us it felt that the spark had finally gone out. It was as if he didn't know what to do any more when the playbook and PR schtick had stopped working as in the past. His horizons seem to be getting very short these days (since passing 70) and I wonder if he really would want to stay on if he gets them safe? He has always praised Steve Gibson and he's getting the band back together (Blackie and Jeppo) so maybe those relationships will offset the distance from his wife and tractor, and the sense of 'been here and done it before'?

    I appreciate what he did for our club - the right manager at the right time - although he stayed too long and in the end it became more about him, his record and his CV than about Cardiff City. On balance, on and off the pitch he was a success. But that doesn't mean I want him to be successful at Boro. I have no feelings either way on that (if he is successful there it means some other club and some other manager will not be) but will watch from a distance with interest.

  9. #59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick View Post
    You could argue that Alex Ferguson took a team that finished fourth, left one that finished 7th and spent a fortune in the process.
    You could argue that yes. What would your comeback be when someone said United were 21st when he took over and won the league by eleven points in his final season?

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  11. #61

    Re: Warnock to Boro

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    Does anyone know if they do humour or personality transplants on the NHS?

    If not, can we start a justgiving / crowdfunding page for Els?
    I've just spent the last however many months in the house (I'm my wife's carer so as she has to be shielded so do I) so my sense of humour is rather thin at the moment!

    Having said that looking through the thread again it was probably an overreaction.

  12. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    I've just spent the last however many months in the house (I'm my wife's carer so as she has to be shielded so do I) so my sense of humour is rather thin at the moment!

    Having said that looking through the thread again it was probably an overreaction.
    No problems Elwood, we're all guilty of that from time to time - both you and your wife stay safe .

  13. #63

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    this really just duplicated my earlier post 'cos I sent that as a genersl reply so I've deleted the rest

  14. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    I've just spent the last however many months in the house (I'm my wife's carer so as she has to be shielded so do I) so my sense of humour is rather thin at the moment!

    Having said that looking through the thread again it was probably an overreaction.
    Holy shit, this has got to be a CCMB first. Hell, an internet first! Fair play

  15. #65

    Re: Warnock to Boro

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    No problems Elwood, we're all guilty of that from time to time - both you and your wife stay safe .
    Thank you Bob

  16. #66

    Re: Warnock's back

    Quote Originally Posted by ccfcwelshlad View Post
    Pretty sure there was plenty of football played between November and March though. He was acting on an advisory basis to Woodgate back around Christmas time; I think their form picked up around that time and he ended up doing himself out of a job.
    i guess nobody wanted him?

  17. #67

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    So, will it be “plucky little Boro”, from now on?
    And which local team will he plunder each season for their players like he did with Bristol City when he was here?

  18. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanD View Post
    The only game in history where both sides have 30% possession!

  19. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanD View Post
    The only game in history where both sides have 30% possession!

  20. #70

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    Please don't lecture me Bob.

    I am fully aware of the above funnily enough.

    I know he has his limitations and stayed too long. Happens to many managers.

    (Jimmy Scoular one of my favourite managers probably should have gone about a year before he did. And the way manager are treated these days he would never have been at the club for our famous Cup winners cup run.)

    But Warnock had two good seasons and took us up with a side that probably shouldn't have been near promotion
    .
    And even though the premiership season was unsuccessful at least we made a go of it until the last couple of games.

    Anyone reading your first paragraph would think we had spent three years footling around in the Championship not that we were promoted in one and spent the second in the Premier League!

    The points you make a reasonable ones in a thread discussing why a manager should be sacked or indeed had just been sacked. They are the times to best express negativety

    All this thread was for people to wish an ex manager in his new job.
    I agree Elwood, very disingenuous to say he more or less left us in the same position In the league when inbetween he took us to a quite frankly astonishing promotion considering how good and what a run that Fulham side went on yet still couldn’t pass us.

    That was an amazing achievement considering the mess we were in when he took over. I would take promotion / relegation every time over 2 years of staying mid table in the same division.

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