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    China forces birth control on Uighurs to suppress population

    https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1...&utm_medium=AP

    How come the West only get involved in human rights violations when that country has a leader that they feel needs to be overthrown?

    Answers on a postcard, please.

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    About time this breeding stopped , a great environmental move

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    About time this breeding stopped , a great environmental move
    Haha! Ethnic cleansing! Classic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Haha! Ethnic cleansing! Classic!
    It is a green thought ,however as with all great ideas there is a down side , it will increase the use on plastics , via increased condoms and their disposal into the Chinese sea , lets prey they don't wash up on our shores

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    It is a green thought ,however as with all great ideas there is a down side , it will increase the use on plastics , via increased condoms and their disposal into the Chinese sea , lets prey they don't wash up on our shores
    Very predatorial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Very predatorial.
    Just pick them up with gloves if your worried

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Just pick them up with gloves if your worried
    Or just "prey" them away.

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    Re: China forces birth control on Uighurs to suppress population

    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1...&utm_medium=AP

    How come the West only get involved in human rights violations when that country has a leader that they feel needs to be overthrown?

    Answers on a postcard, please.

    There have been some moves at the UN - both condemning and supporting China! The scale is incredible - over 1 million Uighers sent to re-education camps out of a population of about 11 million. But other than Trump's on-off love affair with Xi and a few noises over 5G, there isn't a lot of scope to put pressure on. Not that our government and its allies have a great track record of promoting 'human rights' if there is no trade (oil) or political/military strategic benefit in return. They are pretty good at going through the motions though.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51520622

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    There have been some moves at the UN - both condemning and supporting China! The scale is incredible - over 1 million Uighers sent to re-education camps out of a population of about 11 million. But other than Trump's on-off love affair with Xi and a few noises over 5G, there isn't a lot of scope to put pressure on. Not that our government and its allies have a great track record of promoting 'human rights' if there is no trade (oil) or political/military strategic benefit in return. They are pretty good at going through the motions though.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51520622
    Human rights are not only not being promoted by our government and it's allies, I believe that they are responsible for a magnitude of violations themselves.

    I think Amnesty came out and condemned some of the police brutality that Trump was condoning and, on at least one occasion, ordering take place recently.

    I think these camps in China are on another level though.

    Actually, I guess the ICE detention centres/concentration camps for kids are not fairing much better, come to think of it.

    The world is f**ked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Just pick them up with gloves if your worried
    Whoosh

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    Whoosh

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    Enjoy the list :

    CHINA 2019
    The human rights situation continued to be marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent. The justice system remained plagued by unfair trials and torture and other ill-treatment in detention. China still classified information on its extensive use of the death penalty as a state secret.

    Repression conducted under the guise of “anti-separatism” or “counter-terrorism” remained particularly severe in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (Xinjiang) and Tibetan-populated areas (Tibet). Authorities subjected Uighurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups in Xinjiang to intrusive surveillance, arbitrary detention and forced indoctrination.

    LGBTI people faced widespread discrimination and stigma in society. Due to inadequate medical services, they took serious risks by seeking unregulated and improper gender-affirming treatments. LGBTI people also faced abuses in the form of "conversion therapy”.

    The government continued to intimidate, harass, and prosecute human rights defenders and independent NGOs, including raids on their homes and offices. Human rights defenders’ family members were subjected to police surveillance, harassment, detention and restrictions on their freedom of movement.

    Amid huge setbacks for human rights, China made some progress in its environmental protection efforts, both by closing and upgrading polluting factories and passing new restrictions to tackle emissions. According to data prepared by Greenpeace Southeast Asia and IQAir AirVisual, Beijing was no longer among the top 100 most polluted cities in the world.

    Justice system
    In February, President Xi Jinping emphasized that the legal system should be under the Chinese Communist Party's absolute leadership. Law enforcement and the judicial system remained largely under the control of the party. China legalized arbitrary and secret detention, such as “residential surveillance in a designated location” and an extra-judicial system of detention (liuzhi). These procedures allowed for prolonged incommunicado detention and increased the risk of torture and other ill-treatment and forced “confessions”. The UN Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances sought information on 20 new cases of enforced disappearances in China from February to May alone. A new regulation, implemented since February, increased the powers of law enforcement and security agencies by exempting police officers from legal responsibility for any damage they might cause to the property or interests of individuals or organizations while carrying out their duties.

    Freedom of expression – the internet
    The government strengthened its restrictions to the rights to freedom of expression, association and peaceful assembly. The authorities rigorously censored all media, from print media to online games. With the assistance of private technology and internet companies, officials mastered the use of facial recognition, real-name registration systems and big data to keep people under indiscriminate mass surveillance and control. In July, a draft regulation on China's social credit system proposed punishing citizens for disseminating information that "violates social morality" or causes "adverse social impacts". In January, Chinese users reported that they had been threatened, detained or warned for being active on Twitter – a social media platform officially banned in the country. China also extended its control of cyberspace beyond its “Great Firewall” by launching powerful malware and denial of service attacks against overseas servers, websites and messaging apps deemed problematic.

    Freedom of religion and belief
    Beijing continued to tighten its grip on Christians and Muslims as China pushed ahead with the “sinicization of religion”, which Premier Li Keqiang reiterated at the National People's Congress in March. Many Buddhist and Taoist temples and statues, along with mosques and churches, were damaged or destroyed on the direction of the government. The authorities jailed religious leaders who were not recognized by the party for “endangering state security”. On 30 December 2019, pastor Wang Yi of the Early Rain Covenant Church was sentenced to nine years for “illegal business operation” and “inciting subversion of state power”.

    Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region
    Reports about the detention of Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups continued in Xinjiang despite the government’s claim that it may eventually phase out purported “vocational training centres”, also known as “transformation-through-education” centres. From early 2017, after the Xinjiang government had enacted a regulation enforcing so-called “de-extremification”, an estimated up to one million Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other ethnic minority people were sent to these internment camps.[1] Many religious figures, intellectuals and academics were detained in Xinjiang merely for exercising their rights to freedom of religion and expression. This includes Ilham Tohti, a Uyghur economist, writer and professor who was sentenced to life in prison in 2014 and Tashpolat Teyip, former president of Xinjiang University who was sentenced to death with a two-year reprieve in 2017, both on charges of “separatism”.[2]

    In March the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights stated that her office sought to engage the Chinese government “for full access to carry out an independent assessment of the continuing reports pointing to wide patterns of enforced disappearances and arbitrary detentions, particularly in Xinjiang”.[3]

    In July, 25 countries issued a joint statement on Xinjiang at the UN Human Rights Council.[4] In September, Amnesty International, together with four other human rights organizations published a joint letter to the UN Secretary General, urging the UN to step up pressure on China to end the mass detentions in Xinjiang.[5]

    In November, the New York Times and the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists disclosed two sets of leaked documents from unidentified Chinese officials detailing the crackdown in Xinjiang and the framework for facilities where hundreds of thousands of predominantly Muslim ethnic groups are being subjected to brainwashing and other ill-treatment. The descriptions in these documents matched the testimonies Amnesty International received from former detainees and overseas relatives of those sent to the camps or who went missing in Xinjiang. The documents also further disproved the Chinese government’s claims that these facilities were merely “vocational training facilities”.

    Rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex people (LGBTI)
    LGBTI people continued to face discrimination at home, at work, in schools and in public. The authorities accepted and claimed to have implemented all recommendations on sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression at the end of the country’s review process in the third cycle of the UN Universal Periodic Review in 2018. Two recommendations requested prohibition against discrimination in legislation, but there is no law that explicitly protects LGBTI people from discrimination.

    Following last year’s alleged attempt to remove content related to gay issues, Weibo, one of the biggest social media platforms, took down content on lesbian topics in April. Activists feared that online censorship of LGBTI-related content would intensify.

    After an online campaign for legal recognition of same-sex marriage, Yue Zhongming, the spokesperson for the National People’s Congress Legislative Affairs Commission, publicly acknowledged public opinion supporting the recognition of same-sex marriage in the Civil Code. Same-sex couples in China were denied equal partnership rights because of their sexual orientation.

    Transgender people were classed as having a “mental illness”, and gender-affirming surgeries required the consent of families. Other criteria to qualify for such surgeries - such as being unmarried or having a clean criminal record - created further barriers to accessing this treatment. Prevalent discrimination and stigma, restrictive eligibility requirements, and a lack of information resulted in transgender people seeking unregulated and unsafe gender-affirming treatments.[6]

    Transgender people told Amnesty International that they did not receive any advice or guidance on gender-affirming treatments from their doctors when they first started taking hormones. Instead, they learned about treatment options from friends and by searching the internet for information.

    Transgender people who had an urgent need to align their body with their gender identity told Amnesty International that due to the lack of accessible and credible health-related information, they had had little choice but to resort to the unsafe and risky black market to obtain hormone medication. Some even attempted to perform surgeries on themselves as they believed that accessing gender-affirming treatments at a hospital was not possible.

    Amnesty International also received reports of LGBTI individuals being forced by their families to undergo “conversion therapies” that claim to change their sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression, in the belief that being LGBTI is a mental disorder requiring treatment. Despite a landmark judgment in 2014 which declared that homosexuality was not a disease and required no treatment, the government did not take any action to ban conversion therapy.

    Human Rights Defenders
    The space for human rights defenders (HRDs) to freely carry out their work continued to shrink. The authorities systematically subjected HRDs to surveillance, harassment, intimidation, detention and imprisonment. Many activists and HRDs continued to be prosecuted on vague and overly broad charges such as “subverting state power”, “inciting subversion of state power" and "picking quarrels and provoking trouble". Many were held in "residential surveillance in a designated location" on suspicion of involvement in state security crimes. This form of detention allowed the police to detain individuals suspected of such crimes for up to six months in an unknown location outside the formal detention system, with suspects denied access to legal counsel and families.

    The authorities sustained a crackdown on dissent and independent voices. Prominent human rights lawyer Gao Zhisheng, who launched a memoir detailing his experience of enforced disappearance, torture and other ill-treatment, and illegal house arrest, was again forcibly disappeared in August 2017. His whereabouts are unknown. In February Beijing human rights lawyer Yu Wensheng was indicted on charges of “inciting subversion of state power” and “obstructing the duties of public officers” after he had circulated an open letter calling for five reforms to China’s constitution. Chen Jianfang, a grassroots civil and political rights advocate, was formally arrested for “inciting subversion of state power” in June 2019.[7] Activist Chen Bing was sentenced to three and a half years’ imprisonment on 4 April after he and three others were convicted of “picking quarrels and provoking trouble” for commemorating the 27th anniversary of the Tiananmen crackdown in 2016.

    Authorities retaliated against citizen journalists and NGO workers reporting on human rights violations. Early in the year they detained Wei Zhili, Ke Changbing and Yang Zhengjun, editors of a China labour rights website in Guangzhou.[8] Huang Qi, the co-founder of 64tianwang.com, a website that reports on and documents protests in China, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for “leaking state secrets” and “providing state secrets to foreign entities”. Liu Feiyue, the founder of human rights website Civil Rights and Livelihood Watch, was detained in late 2016 and sentenced to five years in prison for “inciting subversion of state power” on 29 January. Anti-discrimination NGO workers Cheng Yuan, Liu Yongze, and Wu Gejianxiong were held in incommunicado detention since 22 July on suspicion of “subversion of state power”.[9] For the first time, authorities publicly criticized a foreign NGO, Asia Catalyst, for breaching the Foreign NGO Management Law.

    Family members of human rights defenders were also subject to police surveillance, harassment and restrictions on their freedom of movement. Li Wenzu, the wife of imprisoned human rights lawyer Wang Quanzhang, said that, for a long time, she had difficulty finding a place to live because police threatened landlords not to sign leases with her. Their six-year-old son Quanquan could not go to school, as police threatened the school’s administrators.[10]

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    Re: China forces birth control on Uighurs to suppress population

    Very detailed - but where did you cut and paste that from?

    In case I want to follow up on any of the 10 references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Very detailed - but where did you cut and paste that from?

    In case I want to follow up on any of the 10 references.
    Copied from:
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries...state%20secret.

    Yet another case of LoM passing off.

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    And some more :

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-53230391

    Hong Kong security law: China passes controversial legislation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Copied from:
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries...state%20secret.

    Yet another case of LoM passing off.
    Simply pointing out there are many worries on China's human rights this link comes from Amnesty , im not passing any issue off , simply enlarging on the debate and china's dreadful record s its a bigger and worrying picture and all of us are funding that regime , with our rush for cheap goods ,including yourself , unless somehow you are managing to avoid the products built on slave labour in China.

    And beware of goods showing a CE mark they are probably Chinese goods not up to CE standards simply badged as so .

    Whilst were on population control this man is also worried in no way am I condoning China in this arena ;

    5 OCTOBER 2018
    SIR DAVID ATTENBOROUGH: WE MUST ACT ON POPULATION
    Population Matters patron Sir David Attenborough was interviewed on the BBC’s Newsnight this week, where he once again spoke out about our unsustainable population growth and the urgent need to address it.

    https://populationmatters.org/news/2...act-population

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post

    Whilst were on population control this man is also worried in no way am I condoning China in this arena ;

    5 OCTOBER 2018
    SIR DAVID ATTENBOROUGH: WE MUST ACT ON POPULATION
    Population Matters patron Sir David Attenborough was interviewed on the BBC’s Newsnight this week, where he once again spoke out about our unsustainable population growth and the urgent need to address it.

    https://populationmatters.org/news/2...act-population
    What's your point then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    What's your point then?
    Ummmm birth control , Ummmmm population explosion , is on a lot of minds , they are one and the same , if you control birth it results in less of a population , which our Dave thinks its unsustainable .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Ummmm birth control , Ummmmm population explosion , is on a lot of minds , they are one and the same , if you control birth it results in less of a population , which our Dave thinks its unsustainable .
    Great...

    and... what does that have to do with the enforced birth control of one part of society?

    China aren't doing it to reduce population sizes, their doing it to try to wipe out Uighur muslims.

    I think you understand that point, but your responses don't seem to corrolate with that.

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    It's strange how leftists are desperately keen to encourage birth control and abortion in the Western democracies but see it as an oppression in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    It's strange how leftists are desperately keen to encourage birth control and abortion in the Western democracies but see it as an oppression in China.
    I know, it's almost like they are making some wacky mental separation between a woman's universal right to choose on the one hand and the forced sterilisation or abortion of a specific ethnic group on the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I know, it's almost like they are making some wacky mental separation between a woman's universal right to choose on the one hand and the forced sterilisation or abortion of a specific ethnic group on the other.
    Encourage and enforce... Almost two entirely separate things, aren't they.

    Also... Of course the right-wing Christian thinks that birth control is "encouraged" rather than a freedom to choose in the West.

    It's crazy that his politics and religion means that he is happy for the "freedom to choose" on most things... except what women do with they're bodies.

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    Its intresting the most vocal opponents to the awful Uighurs issue is Mike Pompeo and UK , UN , Muslim World , Germany and generally the EU are sadly very quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg View Post
    Great...

    and... what does that have to do with the enforced birth control of one part of society?

    China aren't doing it to reduce population sizes, their doing it to try to wipe out Uighur muslims.

    I think you understand that point, but your responses don't seem to corrolate with that.
    It's all part of the same plan this might help you history has shown Chinese policy in birt control is linked to population control it's not just about a specific people..

    """Chinese academics recently delivered a stark warning to the country’s leaders: China is facing its most precipitous decline in population in decades, setting the stage for potential demographic, economic and even political crises in the near future.

    For years China’s ruling Communist Party implemented a series of policies intended to slow the growth of the world’s most populous nation, including limiting the number of children couples could have to one. The long term effects of those policies mean the country will soon enter an era of “negative growth,” or a contraction in the size of the total population.""

    Dont you just love these communists

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    It's all part of the same plan this might help you history has shown Chinese policy in birt control is linked to population control it's not just about a specific people..

    """Chinese academics recently delivered a stark warning to the country’s leaders: China is facing its most precipitous decline in population in decades, setting the stage for potential demographic, economic and even political crises in the near future.

    For years China’s ruling Communist Party implemented a series of policies intended to slow the growth of the world’s most populous nation, including limiting the number of children couples could have to one. The long term effects of those policies mean the country will soon enter an era of “negative growth,” or a contraction in the size of the total population.""

    Dont you just love these communists
    Thanks for the history lesson but I think everyone is aware of China's "one child policy"...

    But you're equating their previous policies of population control to their treatment of a group of people that they are already keeping in concentration camps and thinking it's just "part of the same plan".

    Do you realise how dangerous that is? What they're doing is not simply "population control", it's ethnic cleansing.


    As to your other point about the most vocal people/countries denouncing China regarding the Uighurs... Did you read about Trump telling Xi that he thought that he was doing the right thing by putting them in concentration camps? Pompeo can pretend that he cares as much as he wants because everyone knows that the US won't do anything to stop China.

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    LOM have you seen what Amnesty have had to say about the UK Government in NI over the years ?

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    Re: China forces birth control on Uighurs to suppress population

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    It's all part of the same plan this might help you history has shown Chinese policy in birt control is linked to population control it's not just about a specific people..

    """Chinese academics recently delivered a stark warning to the country’s leaders: China is facing its most precipitous decline in population in decades, setting the stage for potential demographic, economic and even political crises in the near future.

    For years China’s ruling Communist Party implemented a series of policies intended to slow the growth of the world’s most populous nation, including limiting the number of children couples could have to one. The long term effects of those policies mean the country will soon enter an era of “negative growth,” or a contraction in the size of the total population.""

    Dont you just love these communists

    So forced sterilisation and abortions targeted specifically at an ethnic and religious minority is just part of a general policy of population control? Wow!

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    Re: China forces birth control on Uighurs to suppress population

    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    It's strange how leftists are desperately keen to encourage birth control and abortion in the Western democracies but see it as an oppression in China.
    Somehow this comment doesn't surprise me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    LOM have you seen what Amnesty have had to say about the UK Government in NI over the years ?
    I have , I think Amnesty are right , the slight difference though our country has moved on , and the human right issues it lists for China are of the current age and now.

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