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So is this one, but we have a chance to recifify that in November.
I have nothing against Corbyn, but it was obvious he was unelectable. How the Labour party agreed to a general election without replacing him I will never know. You have 4 more years of this imcompetent clown and his cronies.
The thing that makes me laugh is the way that all the communist/socialist supporters on here lap up every bit of anti Government crap that is peddled by the media as if its gospel. Totally ignoring that all the media is interested in in sensationalising and magnifying the panic to serve their own ends. The BBC is one of the worst offenders, as evidenced by the way they ‘balance’ the audience and questions on their weekly Question Time programmes (not).
You think the bbc is left wing ?Originally Posted by dml1954
Nick Robinson political editor........tory
Laura Kuennesberg ......tory
That's the last two political editors
How much of the current print and broadcast media do you think is left wing socialist etc ?
I have explained to you the political views of the last two heads of political broadcasts were tories
What other media outlets are left wing ?
Sky ?
The Sun ?
The Daily Mail ?
Sludge, we should know by now that arguing the point with dml1954 is a bit like punching smoke.
The thing that makes me laugh is how all the right wing fascists on here believe every little piece of bullshit the government propaganda machine churns out, defends it blindly to the hilt, and constantly attack the media, particularly the BBC, for its "fake news". I think we all know some of the worse offenders on here. One wonders how deaf and blind to the evidence they can be.
So if you didn't vote Labour at the last election you are a right wing fascist? We've had Tory scum and apologist and now fascist. Some people are so one eyed and bigoted they can't see anything but Labour good, Tory bad. And Yes I'm not one who supports everything the Tories do but still shudder at the thought of having a government led by Corbyn, Abbot and McDonald. Funny how the Labour supporters on here blamed the media for losing the election.
The Labour defeat was all about no leadership or direction,very similar to what we have now.A front bench who you would not let them be in charge of looking after a pet for a day.
I didn't blame the media, I blamed the electorate. Fortunately seeing the reality of the situation rather than the right wing fantasy that was projected, many will come to their senses I'm sure and never make the same silly mistake again.
The last election was about getting Brexit done. The Tories were making a mess of it with a dithering Theresa May and were there for the taking.
What did labour offer...an extreme left wing leader who was equally dithering, in the pocket of Momentum and tarnished by
antiseminetisim.
The testing centre in abercynon had piles of staff stood around last week. Think they were using their bodies for heat they were stood that close together. Didn't see one person enter!!
It isn't the only one where you can see the same thing I promise you. lol
Are they the only two BBC employees Sludge???
Of course not but when it comes to political bias I think the fact that the last two chief political editors have been well known Tories tends to blow out of the water the claim that the BBC is left wing
No ?
Not sure if you regard me as a government apologist Bob.
I watched some of the program last night but to be honest found very little I hadn't seen weeks ago.
I will.watch it all again tonight to see what I may have missed.
I certainly do
You are clearly a tory and have admitted such on here despite personally being affected by this disgraceful governments attack on the sick and disabled
It amazes me you can vote for them really
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Don't you mean that the majority of tracing has been done by public sector workers Bob?
Missed out from my previous answer
I have many misgivings about the way things have been done during the pandemic not just by Boris but by all the home nations.
Indeed many nations have made mistakes during the crisis , even Germany but it will take a proper independent enquiry afterwards.
Not the knee jerk yahoo politics of left and right that goes on on this board and elsewhere.
Yes I did, sorry about that, but I notice you did not comment on what else I said - I think it was something like 15,000 out of almost 114,000 in the latest figures that were traced by the 25,000 new recruits.
The impression given, which seems a fair one to me, is of a Government obsessed by targets, but with little in place to co-ordinate things efficiently once they are reached.
I see PHE is getting the flack for much of what has gone wrong with tracking& tracing, including the farce of developing an app from scratch.
A surprise to me but apparently the Government has no authority over the independence of Public Health England.
Meanwhile at home, the Senedd has asked Ryanair to postpone its Cardiff flight(s) to Faro and Malaga on Friday as Wales still has 5 mile travel guidance in place, and travellers will have to quarantine for 14 days on return as that's the rules in Wales.
So two days before the flight from a WAG owned airport the Senedd jumps into action.
What amazes me with people like Sludge (and there are others) is how one dimensional their thinking is. They simply can't accept that Labour can do anything wrong. Instead people on here are treated like something on the bottom of their shoe and you only have to vote Tory a few times and you are Tory scum. For the record Labour's report on the election defeat was clear but some just simply can't accept why people voted Tory even though the Labour hierarchy seemed to. The reasons were:
1. The unpopularity of Corbyn
2. Confused Brexit policy (so elected the architect as their new Leader)
3.Unrealistic manifesto and:
4.Disorganised national campaign.
Here's the link from the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lection-defeat
Of course Sludge and some others ignore all this and revert to statements such as how could the electorate vote Tory and it's the electorate's fault. He dismisses people who voted Tory and keeps saying the BBC's political editor is a Tory. I didn't realise that especially as Kuensberg required a bodyguard at the 2017 Tory conference for her perceived anti Tory views. She did criticise Corbyn but was not alone and was even defended by Yvette Cooper.
The evidence is clear from the Labour Party itself. So let's stop the name calling and just let people vote how they vote without criticising individuals for their decisions.
I could vote Labour again but will have to see how things will pan out over the next 4 years. Starmer's made a good start even though I thought he was a bad choice.
Like some other Tory voters on here I am not locked into one political party but vote for a party on their policies. As for the last election I simply could not vote for any party led by Corbyn, Abbot and McDonald with Momentum lurking in the background.
That's pretty small beer compared to what Panorama was talking about though isn't it. This thread has just become the usual tory v labour stuff with those taking an anti labour position ignoring the findings of the Programme.
I haven't seen the programme yet
Ive now watch the programme and thought it the usual biased tripe served up by the BBC. The programme slammed the government for poor tracing and tracking but this is the responsibility of an autonomous quango Public health England.
The government can tell it what to do but not how....so all the downsides about our poor tracking and tracing, how it was done, where it was done, who saw the reports, who did the testing was down to PHE.
In my opinion PHE should be scrapped, they've spent years telling the public to avoid obesity whilst getting fat themselves. They are just about to build a new HQ in Harlow!
As for Weston hospital what a load of rubbish. OK PHE offered poor tracing but this hospital had one floor devoted to Covid patients and another floor to non-covid patients and the junior doctors looking after each floor were rotated every week. You couldn't make it up!!! Of course this was not reported in the Panorama programme
Then you are a fool.Sludge.
Voting for them ( with some reluctance particularly last time) when you feel the alternative is even worse does not make you a tory.
As I have told you many times in the past the attack on the sick and disabled started under labour around 2007 when they replaced Incapacity Benefit and Severe Disablement Allowance with ESA and expanded the interview system they had already introduced on a random basis for IB and DLA.
This left an open door which the conservatives kicked open to do the same sort of thing to DLA (now PIP) of course.
If Labour had had a decent leader with decent policies in the last election sai would at least have abstained (I believe there should be a "none of the above " box at elections to show the idiots on all sides what we think of them)m
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