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Another thread berating the plastics. How dare they have the nerve to support Barry, Merthyr, Port Talbot, etc instead of their local football league club. We’d be huge mun.
So your criticising people who actually watched City and paid their money to come through the door?Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
In fairness, they can be termed customers. Football is a business, a product. People choose to pay, they also choose to **** off when they want.
Fact of life.
I'm not with you that all these once paying customers are now traipsing up to Man United and Liverpool every other week butt.
Well I started this thread with the title remember when we were a small club
And after two successive relegations we were in the bottom flight . And we stayed in the lower leagues for 17 years . Thats a long long time for a club with the population we have around us .
When we were down in the basement and league two we had , as we have now , the potential to draw big crowds .....our problem is keeping hold of them .
When clubs like Bradford City and Plymouth dropped to the basement they had bigger crowds than us
Man City , Portsmouth , Sunderland have all dropped through the league but don't stay there long and when they were there had far better support than us
What we are now is a championship side and I hope we go up next season . But under durban , burrows , may , Kenny hibbit we were a small club . From being a club that yo yoed between the old division two and three , we were firmly established as a club that went down to division 4 , went up , stayed a season or so , then went down
I don't think we will ever be a club that can justify having a ground holding 40000
I might be wrong but I think the word your looking for is fickle fans .
However I do wonder if we became a regular top 6 side could fans in our area actually afford the increase in match prices to fund better facilities, wages etc , or would it see fans take the cheaper option of TV subscription
I think you will find people who watch barry town are decent fans and are often more than occasional visitors to watch cardiff
I am talking about people watching cardiff city in the premiership then not bothering
Thats why we will never be a big club
I thought you were a socialist , you are clearly not
Customers , product , free will , bloody hell you are a libertarian butt
I am saying these people pay for a season ticket then either get bored or feck off once we go down
Its part of the psyche here and why we will never be a big club
Its reality
They're not my views mun.
They're the views of the owner.
Hence, I don't fund him or his product.
Remember when he turned his product red and then made a comment that it would find new fans/customers?
You reap what you sow.
Agree with you. Citys support has always been historically notoriously fickle.
So we have people who are football fans who buy season tickets to watch cardiff city then we get relegated and whoosh they are gone
Do you think the stupid rebrand lost us the most fans or relegation from the premier league ?
If we stayed up there though, they might well stay. Is Cardiff County population looking to be over 600,000 in the next few years with the huge expansion of the western suburbs, do we even get 2/3% of these through the turnstiles? Nope, not unless we are up there and we haven’t done that yet. 5/10 years up there and maybe they’d switch from fickle to regular but it’s not the same world as football in 1988.
Obviously relegation.
Not the fact these missing supporters are travelling up to and watching Man United every other week, which was your initial point.
The rebrand didn't really noticeably dent the support. Which tells it's own story really.
no it wasnt , it was that south wales is full of man united and liverpool fans, they are the type of people who would buy a season ticket to watch cardiff in the premier league , get all excited to watch the big games , then once relegated they just feck off
The cardiff city story
OK.
Woukd your rather these glory hunting plastics in the stadium in periods of success or not?
The thing with the " big game charlies " is that they lose interest, but if we kept them interested or a while, that interest soon becomes a habit
now in the old days, people used the " oh crowd issues / hooligan issues " would put people off, now these days we have none of that shenanigans, so maybe keeping them interested for a while might keep em coming
The club cannot possibly grow unless it gets the glory hunters in.
100% agree.
There needs to be a culture of supporting the club developed in good times and bad. For me, that hasn't been evident in my life time hence City's notoriously fickle support which can be evidenced by attendances.
I don't think the lack of numbers in attendances, bearing in mind City enjoy higher averages now than they have in my lifetime are due to the South Wales public traipsing up to the North West to watch non local teams?
I just don't consider Cardiff a 'football' city. Like sheffield, Newcastle, Norwich, Manchester etc.
You reckon thats the only reason ?
I will put it in a sandwich for you
South wales is and always has been able to muster a crowd for a big occasion . The six nations , cup ties in the past against man city , spurs , arsenal etc
But I am afraid that the area doesn't back its capital city football team . And it never really has for consistent periods .
Its clear that for those big games against spurs , man city , arsenal and that the crowds for premiership games contains fans who really don't care about cardiff city at all
For some Cardiff City is a second team, they will go to the big games , will watch the club when we are doing well or come down a few times a season
We dont and never will have the fanatical fan base of Sunderland, Derby, Pompey etc
You could offer some south wales fans free season tickets and they would rather watch man united on sky
We are no longer a big fish in a small pond......actually some of our gates in the old division four were dreadful for a city the size of cardiff so we were a small fish in a small pond but we are just a bad season away from being in league two and unlike Sunderland or Leeds who soon bounced back , we could be stuck there for a few years , the crowds will drop like a stone
I personally hope Harris sticks it up em next season , we go up , we stay up and those who come 6 or 7 times a season get hooked .
But the south wales scousers and mancs ?
No chance
Derby , Nottingham , Portsmouth , Burnley , towns and cities where the local football team is part of the culture
Its really sad that it isn't but it is what it is
Things could go either way , I hope sincerely that we get promoted and stay there but we are more likely to be a crystal palace or a burnley
Which isn't the end of the world but given the population catchment of the club it could be so much better
You could also argue that aside from Manchester of those cities mentioned - and they also have two big, and now both very successful clubs that Cardiff despite size simply has far far more to offer that those other cities. I'm not surprised places like Sheffield and Norwich have solid football fan bases, there's **** all else to do there, generally speaking.
Sheffield and Nottingham are very vibrant cities
And Sheffield has two football teams competing for the areas support
Finger me Jesu...
I agree with everything you've more or less said. It could be argued we're paraphrasing each other.
Your initial point was though, that Citys crowds were poor because we have hordes of South Walians traipsing up to the North West.
Let's agree to disagree.
Can someone give me an example of City's "notoriously fickle" support since we moved into Cardiff City Stadium? In fact, I'll extend that to 2003 - seems to me that you have to go back to the twentieth century for the sort of behaviour City fans, deservedly, got that reputation for.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/cardif...ung/verein/603
Doesn't tell the full story, but the average attendances there seem to support that, we even endured a couple of seasons of Russel Slade without dropping below 15k average.
also shows how much we came on as a club in the Jones/Ridsdale era.
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