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  1. #61

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    Clearly, you have the IQ of a packet of crisps.

    The link is from part of the article from The Wall Street Journal.

    Read the full article from the WSJ which is full of facts, and will answer your question.

    Try and educate yourself, instead of being one of the sheep believing all American police are racists.

    Idiots like you backing BLM, who want to defund the Police.
    Do you think your mate trump is doing a good job ?

  2. #62

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    So why exactly are they doing it?

    Because of American career criminals?

    Here’s a suggestion as regards the statistical misnomer that the American police are victimising and murdering black people.

    * Don’t commit crimes

    * If you do commit crimes and the police have to address the issue, don’t resist.

    Here’s another statistical fact that doesn’t fit the current narrative. In America a police officer is 18.5 times more likely to lose their lives at the hands of a black person, as a black person is to lose their lives to a Police officer - FACT!

    Google and read a few articles in the Wall Street Journal on the subject, in June.
    Black people get killed by the police during routine traffic stops. Or just living in their apartments. Walking down the stairs. Or hanging out in the park. How is anyone supposed to "don't do that"? You know what black people don't do in this country? Call the cops when they're in peril. Because they know it could be them that gets hurt or worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...ilando_Castile

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...Breonna_Taylor

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...iana_Jefferson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...#Stephon_Clark

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...am_Jean#Victim

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...Alton_Sterling

    https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aj...mes/index.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...ey#Akai_Gurley


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...an-vice-versa/

  3. #63

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    By Jason L. Riley, who’s a black man.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-poli...ic-11592952420

  4. #64

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Let's not forget that this all started over a career criminal who died in police custody due to "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression", and what the media often neglect to mention is that his toxicology report shows a high dosage of fentanyl and meth, in addition to his previously-existing heart condition. Was the knee on the neck excessive? Sure. Was it the sole factor which resulted in his death? Nah.

    The American media latched on to it and made it in to a story about racism where there's zero evidence for it and has set race relations back by decades. Also, unless they make a political conviction out of the police officer, he'll never get sent down for murder, probably manslaughter or negligence (as they definitely could've handled the situation better). As you can see, Floyd says "I can't breathe" when sat upright in the back of a police car and asked to be put on the ground:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSw...nnel=DailyMail

    (the fact that the above video footage was "leaked" and not officially released is very telling...)

    And then we have the laughable comments from those who think "DuRRrRrrR mUh RaCIsTs!" if people object to a gesture that, to some degree, shows underlying affiliation with a political organisation that campaigns to smash capitalism, defund the police, and abolish the "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure", and that was founded by self-proclaimed "trained Marxists". Before anyone accuses me of being "MuH RiGHt-WiNg SnOWfLAkE!!", this information was to be found on BLM's own website (although, they seemed to have recently removed this information, but screenshots still exist).

    In addition to which, I can't fathom why such an organisation would make martyrs out of career criminals who die resisting arrest and being non-compliant with police and encourage rioting/looting, but black lives such as ex-cop David Dorn, 8 year-old Secoriea Turner or 1 year-old Davell Gardner get very little recognition in comparison (plus many more, all who died after Floyd or as a result of Floyd protests). But these were black people killed by other black people, so I guess their lives didn't matter as much because they didn't fit the "oppression" narrative. So, at the very least, BLM semantically is a bit of a jumble.

    Could it be that the BLM movement has been co-opted by radical far-leftists who couldn't give any less of a crap about black lives? You decide.

    But hey, kneel away.

    (TL;DR: racism is bad and still exists but not as much as the media want it to, media sucks balls, let's try and be nicer to each other, media sucks even more balls)

  5. #65

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    The Myth of Systemic Police Racism

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myt...sm-11591119883

  6. #66

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Why are there three threads on the go, all started yesterday, on this subject?

    I can see both sides of the argument regarding whether the taking the knee gesture should continue before games, but have no problem with it doing so if the authorities are okay with that. The one thing which has surprised me in the time since the George Floyd death is why some, who swear they aren't racists, are so against gestures of support towards racial tolerance and equality?

    Do they still play the national anthem before games in America or is it now limited to films and TV? If they do, I can't help feeling that those in that country having problems with sportsmen and women taking the knee before they play/compete would be up in arms if there were people proposing that the practice of playing the National Anthem be stopped.

  7. #67

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    If you haven't already, read Thomas Sowell on this issue. I used to buy in to the "systemic racism" idea until I read his work on this topic, but now I question it a lot more. The man is a marvel.

  8. #68

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    When all this taking the knee stuff started I was having a chat with a mate and said didnt get it as apart from a tiny minority I didn't think there was a racism issue in this country.

    Well Its woken me up reading messageboards on how wrong I was. Some of the things ive read (on another site) are behond belief.

    People cant or wont differentiate between supporting the Black Lives Matter principle and the actual Black Lives Movement Group.

    If taking the knee upsets them then long may it continue.

  9. #69

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Maybe Iím sheltered in suburban wales, but I canít remember the last time Iíve seen or heard something racist.

    Is the UK actually full of hidden racists?

  10. #70

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    So the best way to have stamped out the Nazis was not to be a Nazi. Interesting theory!
    Of course. If no-one apart from Hitler and a few of his fanatical followers had become Nazis then there would be nothing to stamp out. Simple.

  11. #71

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue View Post
    Let's not forget that this all started over a career criminal who died in police custody due to "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression", and what the media often neglect to mention is that his toxicology report shows a high dosage of fentanyl and meth, in addition to his previously-existing heart condition. Was the knee on the neck excessive? Sure. Was it the sole factor which resulted in his death? Nah.

    The American media latched on to it and made it in to a story about racism where there's zero evidence for it and has set race relations back by decades. Also, unless they make a political conviction out of the police officer, he'll never get sent down for murder, probably manslaughter or negligence (as they definitely could've handled the situation better). As you can see, Floyd says "I can't breathe" when sat upright in the back of a police car and asked to be put on the ground:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPSw...nnel=DailyMail

    (the fact that the above video footage was "leaked" and not officially released is very telling...)

    And then we have the laughable comments from those who think "DuRRrRrrR mUh RaCIsTs!" if people object to a gesture that, to some degree, shows underlying affiliation with a political organisation that campaigns to smash capitalism, defund the police, and abolish the "Western-prescribed nuclear family structure", and that was founded by self-proclaimed "trained Marxists". Before anyone accuses me of being "MuH RiGHt-WiNg SnOWfLAkE!!", this information was to be found on BLM's own website (although, they seemed to have recently removed this information, but screenshots still exist).

    In addition to which, I can't fathom why such an organisation would make martyrs out of career criminals who die resisting arrest and being non-compliant with police and encourage rioting/looting, but black lives such as ex-cop David Dorn, 8 year-old Secoriea Turner or 1 year-old Davell Gardner get very little recognition in comparison (plus many more, all who died after Floyd or as a result of Floyd protests). But these were black people killed by other black people, so I guess their lives didn't matter as much because they didn't fit the "oppression" narrative. So, at the very least, BLM semantically is a bit of a jumble.

    Could it be that the BLM movement has been co-opted by radical far-leftists who couldn't give any less of a crap about black lives? You decide.

    But hey, kneel away.

    (TL;DR: racism is bad and still exists but not as much as the media want it to, media sucks balls, let's try and be nicer to each other, media sucks even more balls)
    I have decided

    You are a bit right wing

    Actually very

  12. #72

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue View Post
    If you haven't already, read Thomas Sowell on this issue. I used to buy in to the "systemic racism" idea until I read his work on this topic, but now I question it a lot more. The man is a marvel.
    hes a right wing libertarian and as you are right wing then you would agree with him

    A lot of black people think he's a stooge

  13. #73

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    you are not a racist but you are against a symbol of protest about racism and inequality

    OK then

  14. #74

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    When all this taking the knee stuff started I was having a chat with a mate and said didnt get it as apart from a tiny minority I didn't think there was a racism issue in this country.

    Well Its woken me up reading messageboards on how wrong I was. Some of the things ive read (on another site) are behond belief.

    People cant or wont differentiate between supporting the Black Lives Matter principle and the actual Black Lives Movement Group.

    If taking the knee upsets them then long may it continue.
    fight the power

    The level of racism on some other cardiff city sites is like being in with a gang of Millwall fans from 1980

  15. #75

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Maybe Iím sheltered in suburban wales, but I canít remember the last time Iíve seen or heard something racist.

    Is the UK actually full of hidden racists?
    yep

  16. #76

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    Of course. If no-one apart from Hitler and a few of his fanatical followers had become Nazis then there would be nothing to stamp out. Simple.
    What about the russians , nothing to do with the nazis , who raped and murdered millions of Polish and other Eastern European people as they drove the nazis out of Germany?

    I think they were just a little racist those Russians

    And the white Australian settlers that basically tried to wipe out the aborigines?

    And the white settlers in America who massacred the red indians ?

    So if no one apart from a few nasty Russians, white Australians and nasty white blokes were given a telling off and these people had not been nasty racism wouldnt be a problem ?

  17. #77

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    you are not a racist but you are against a symbol of protest about racism and inequality

    OK then
    This from a man who continually posts misogynist sexual comments about women, on thread after thread.

    Your all for BLM, but appear to have no time for the #MeToo movement.

  18. #78

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Maybe Iím sheltered in suburban wales, but I canít remember the last time Iíve seen or heard something racist.

    Is the UK actually full of hidden racists?

    There isnít a racist issue down the City, or most sports grounds.

    Iíve been to hundreds, if not over a thousand sporting events, over the years.

    Iíve heard one racial comment.

    That was directed towards Nathan Blake when he played for Wales in the 90s, and I confronted the bloke.

    Yes, thereíll be the odd racist at games, and pockets of racists in society, but in the whole the vast, vast majority of us abhor racism.

    I donít personally believe anyone would get away with making a comment at a game these days, without be challenged.

    Particularly as Cardiff is a very inclusive, multicultural city.

    But, this taking the knee.

    Fine initially, but how long does it go on for?

    I watch sport for escapism, not to be lectured that weíre a country of racists. Weíre not.

    Like the NFL in America bowing to the current narrative of allowing players to wear the names of convicted felons, on their helmets.

    Yet, the league wouldnít allow the Dallas Cowboys a few years ago to put the names of the five Police officers killed at the hands of a black man, that Summer.

    Double standards.

    One other thing Iíd say about racism, is that it extends both ways.

    There are many black people who canít stand whites. Apparently, weíre all privileged and to be held to account for the disgraceful way black people were treated many years ago.

    We are just as repulsed, as they are for some of that treatment.

    Society has improved for the better.

    But, taking a knee will never stop a racist, being a racist.

    That needs to come from the way parents raise their kids.

  19. #79

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    This from a man who continually posts misogynist sexual comments about women, on thread after thread.

    Your all for BLM, but appear to have no time for the #MeToo movement.
    Jason L riley, he's another ideological right wing commentator.Makes no difference what his skin colour is. You really need to reference people who have a bit of balance and are not selective -like you-with their research. Riley references the most basic issues within society then puts his spin on it. Open your eyes you massive tool.

  20. #80

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    This from a man who continually posts misogynist sexual comments about women, on thread after thread.

    Your all for BLM, but appear to have no time for the #MeToo movement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    There isnít a racist issue down the City, or most sports grounds.

    Iíve been to hundreds, if not over a thousand sporting events, over the years.

    Iíve heard one racial comment.

    That was directed towards Nathan Blake when he played for Wales in the 90s, and I confronted the bloke.

    Yes, thereíll be the odd racist at games, and pockets of racists in society, but in the whole the vast, vast majority of us abhor racism.

    I donít personally believe anyone would get away with making a comment at a game these days, without be challenged.

    Particularly as Cardiff is a very inclusive, multicultural city.

    But, this taking the knee.

    Fine initially, but how long does it go on for?

    I watch sport for escapism, not to be lectured that weíre a country of racists. Weíre not.

    Like the NFL in America bowing to the current narrative of allowing players to wear the names of convicted felons, on their helmets.

    Yet, the league wouldnít allow the Dallas Cowboys a few years ago to put the names of the five Police officers killed at the hands of a black man, that Summer.

    Double standards.

    One other thing Iíd say about racism, is that it extends both ways.

    There are many black people who canít stand whites. Apparently, weíre all privileged and to be held to account for the disgraceful way black people were treated many years ago.

    We are just as repulsed, as they are for some of that treatment.

    Society has improved for the better.

    But, taking a knee will never stop a racist, being a racist.

    That needs to come from the way parents raise their kids.
    Well done for having a personal opinion. It shows how I'll informed you are.

  21. #81

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    This from a man who continually posts misogynist sexual comments about women, on thread after thread.

    Your all for BLM, but appear to have no time for the #MeToo movement.
    They are a piss take out of middle age blokes sitting in front of the computer

    I used to work for a charity helping people with housing problems in Riverside and referred many young women to the police or womens aid after they disclosed information to me . And referred many more young women to cardiff single women's housing project which helped young women fleeing violenc sand abuse

    I know that I am not a sexist misogynist , believe in equality for all and have actually supported vulnerable women and helped them escape violence and abuse and get the right support from the right agency .

    I know that

    But I also know that you are a racist

  22. #82

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Jason L riley, he's another ideological right wing commentator.Makes no difference what his skin colour is. You really need to reference people who have a bit of balance and are not selective -like you-with their research. Riley references the most basic issues within society then puts his spin on it. Open your eyes you massive tool.
    Maybe you should stick to posts telling everyone what an amazing footballer you were, and how Messi asked you to swap shirts after a game, and begged you to join him at Barcelona.

    There are some people on this site who lap up that kind of stuff from a fantasist like yourself, whoís detached from reality!

  23. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    They are a piss take out of middle age blokes sitting in front of the computer

    I used to work for a charity helping people with housing problems in Riverside and referred many young women to the police or womens aid after they disclosed information to me . And referred many more young women to cardiff single women's housing project which helped young women fleeing violenc sand abuse

    I know that I am not a sexist misogynist , believe in equality for all and have actually supported vulnerable women and helped them escape violence and abuse and get the right support from the right agency .

    I know that

    But I also know that you are a racist
    Christ, what women would ever want to confide in a seedy pervert like you!

  24. #84

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Well done for having a personal opinion. It shows how I'll informed you are.
    there have been lots of racist incidents at cardiff city matches home and away over the years to deny it happens is pathetic

    Here is just a few

    Bananas being thrown at Alex Williams man City Black keeper

    I would rather be black than a swansea jack used to be sung at Swansea fans

    Town full of pakis shouted at Bradford City and Oldham fans

    All buksh the Asian referree being abused by cardiff fans from the Bob Bank

    Coventry City away in the fa Cup, bus of supporters racially abusing Asian people near the ground

    A poster on here who is of mixed raced being abused by cardiff fans at Charlton

    Bloke arrested on Bob bank for doing a nazi salute

    ****ing nigger being shouted at a Stoke City player wasting time

    Rather wear a turban than a rose often sang just before we left ninian park

    Cardiff is a multi racial city and 16 percent of the city are from a non white background

    How many people do you see from a multicultural background at cardiff matches ?

    To deny that cardiff city doesn't have a racist element among its support and always has its blind

  25. #85

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    This from a man who continually posts misogynist sexual comments about women, on thread after thread.

    Your all for BLM, but appear to have no time for the #MeToo movement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    Maybe you should stick to posts telling everyone what an amazing footballer you were, and how Messi asked you to swap shirts after a game, and begged you to join him at Barcelona.

    There are some people on this site who lap up that kind of stuff from a fantasist like yourself, whoís detached from reality!
    You're being ridiculous, Messi is way younger than me, we never had the chance to meet. If we had, then I may have swapped shirts with him, depending on how I felt, it's probably the closest he would've got to my shirt all game.

    As for you, you perrenial disappointment, deal with the issues and stop scuttling off to quote some hard right literature in order to reinforce your ****ed up views. Yours, with kisses, the greatest footballer who ever lived!

  26. #86

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    Christ, what women would ever want to confide in a seedy pervert like you!
    Well one that would have been provided support advice and safe referral to specialised people and the police who could help her with her safety , support , rebuilding her life , getting somewhere to live

    I must have been good at it or they would have sacked me

  27. #87

    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Jason L riley, he's another ideological right wing commentator.Makes no difference what his skin colour is. You really need to reference people who have a bit of balance and are not selective -like you-with their research. Riley references the most basic issues within society then puts his spin on it. Open your eyes you massive tool.
    Riley is a right wing liberarian idiot hanging himself

    Hes going the neo nazis a great job

  28. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good story as the old saying goes.
    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Maybe I’m sheltered in suburban wales, but I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen or heard something racist.

    Is the UK actually full of hidden racists?
    Hidden? Did you see all those clowns down in Dover last week?

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    Re: Sky making a big thing of QPR not taking the knee

    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    Of course. If no-one apart from Hitler and a few of his fanatical followers had become Nazis then there would be nothing to stamp out. Simple.
    Nothing apart from the millions of passive onlookers who over a few steins would agree with each other that the anti fascist demonstrations in Berlin were over the top, that the Nazis were basically good patriots who liked dressing up, that there is good and bad on both sides and that they Jewsí (and the socialists, gypsies, disabled and other victims and scapegoats) brought some or all of their troubles on themselves!

    Racism cannot be ended just by individuals not giving out explicit racist abuse as a personal choice - which is how the original comment came over.

    I think the BLM protests have reached a tipping point because of the length and weight of numbers involved, and the way prominent figures in sports have aligned themselves with it in visible and coordinated demonstrations before matches/events. But there is an equally determined push back - clear from many governing bodies and across social media. So now is not the time to stop, it is the time to step it up and expose the racists and their sometimes unwitting allies the complacent!

  30. #90

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird23 View Post
    This is an opinion piece written by a right-wing, pro-police political commentator. It's not journalism. It holds no credibility.

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