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    Re: Gender Pronouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Welcome back, we've missed your persuasive rhetoric.
    fair play I like that reply. we probably agree on a lot..

  2. #122

    Re: Gender Pronouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Obviously in a social/work environment one would use an individual's preferred pronoun out of courtesy but as has been pointed out most of us won't even encounter this very often (nor have to announce his/her/their own). However, there are other complications. Where someone might have gender dysphoria and would need help and support, someone else might just like to wear a wig and dress sometimes and go by a female identity, depending on how they feel that day. It's interesting there doesn't seem to be a difference between transvestite and transsexual anymore and everyone is transgender. Transsexuals, as I understand it, are allowed access to female only spaces, but there are calls this policy should also include anyone who has no desire for hormonal treatment or surgery.

    Sex is immutable and as such one denies a material and objective reality when one calls a "he" a "she" (or vice versa), but in a lot of cases this is manageable. But a number of sex based rights, especially with regard to women only spaces are now being drawn into the argument. It's an interesting one, as well as nuanced and sensitive, which is probably why on this forum (and elsewhere) it's turned to carnage.
    Answer me this how do we know this is not all narcissim on steroids ? all humans beings think lifes not fair on them but changing things will solve everything, how come we just copy the California crap if this is all genuine asking for a friend in india.

  3. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by robjohn44 View Post
    what nice people defenders of trans are ? no reason at all to be scared ? not bullies just want to be nice to everyone ffs
    Get a sense of awareness. You are arguing against calling someone by their preferred pronoun, which is a basic act of human decency

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    Re: Gender Pronouns

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Hark who's talking with your head firmly rammed up your Tory arse. I'm not persuaded by what the Labour leader says thank you.
    I don't have a tory arse, but it is evident that several of the self proclaimed socialist voters here do not in fact agree with what the labour party does. It seems a strange way to support them. And I think on balance more people would be persuaded by his argument about losing the election than they will be by yours.

  5. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by robjohn44 View Post
    Answer me this how do we know this is not all narcissim on steroids ? all humans beings think lifes not fair on them but changing things will solve everything, how come we just copy the California crap if this is all genuine asking for a friend in india.
    Could you ask your friend in India to be a bit less vague and general and angry at everything? Cheers.

  6. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by robjohn44 View Post
    fair play I like that reply. we probably agree on a lot..
    Probably all things Cardiff City yes Rob

  7. #127

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I don't have a tory arse, but it is evident that several of the self proclaimed socialist voters here do not in fact agree with what the labour party does. It seems a strange way to support them. And I think on balance more people would be persuaded by his argument about losing the election than they will be by yours.
    Your Brexit credentials are being displayed loud and clear Snag; I understand I've got no hope of ever getting through to your demographic. But please, spare a thought for the silent majority who don't possess your extreme views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Your Brexit credentials are being displayed loud and clear Snag; I understand I've got no hope of ever getting through to your demographic. But please, spare a thought for the silent majority who don't possess your extreme views.
    If it was a majority we wouldn't be talking about brexit. Is that too hard for you to grasp. Majority equals more than 50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    If it was a majority we wouldn't be talking about brexit. Is that too hard for you to grasp. Majority equals more than 50%.
    "Silent" majority surely even you can grasp that. Only a minority of the country actually voted for Brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    "Silent" majority surely even you can grasp that. Only a minority of the country actually voted for Brexit
    In a referendum traditionally the question asked is to change the status quo of whatever it is being voted on, and for a change the vote for change must be 50% (or whatever bench mark is set) plus 1 of the available votes, so if a million people can vote then for change 500,001 must vote for the change. So if 499,999 vote yes and 250,00 vote no then the Noes carry the day. Anyone who does not vote is considered to not want change. In this case I agree with you 100% that the silent majority carries the day.
    However somebody in UK recent political history changed the rules in order to manipulate the answer they wanted in a referendum and that opened the door for ever. This error was compounded by the percentage for change in the Brexit vote being set at 50% in stead of 60% where it should have been for such a momentous vote (But then all referenda should be for momentous things)
    If it is any consolation to you I vote to remain but I accept that the vote cast was to leave so I will abide by that. The people protesting were ( and some still are) just moaning because they lost the vote.
    If 'Remain' had won by the same small margin, the people now demanding another vote wouldn't be doing it, they'd be saying the vote is the vote and it should stand. That is the nature of people. It is why the trigger should have been set at 60%. But we are where we are, and forever crying and complaining about it is both pointless and undemocratic.
    Its like sludge continually saying less than half the population at the last election voted for the conservatives. If people couldn't be arsed to get up and vote then they have no room to complain. The got what they deserved.

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