Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories,
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Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories,
Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories, the arogance & corruption of Westminster and the London-centric / English biased media (including the left-wing media), has made it easier to believe we would be better off on our own.
I'm under no illusions that it will be difficult and we have a long way to go, but has anyone else shifted towards independence recently?
Funniest post ever. You have also started another post with the same subject that was even more ill conceived.
I'd seriously consider it.
Same here. I've thought the same since Brexit and I realised that Wales has such little power in Westminster, we're partly governed by people who know little about the country.Originally Posted by Rjk
Did I?
Lol, well there you go. Too busy.
However, I have seen more and more social media movement recently and I wondered if people are changing their mind. That's all.
Sorry. Bit of an overreaction on my part. But economically Wales couldn't possibly support itself. There is little industry and a lot of social deprivation requiring support from the State. And those who pay tax will probably have to pay double to support the rest and, if businesses are taxed higher than England, they will simply leave. Even when Labour has been in power nationally Wales has been ignored and their voters taken for granted. While a Wales only government would have power they wouldn't have the cash to do very much. Wales does not even have a currency so in the unlikely event permission is given for the pound to be used, the UK government would have to control spending. Wales could never be wholly independent ever.
To this I would add the amount of European money that was meant for Wales but which we never saw a penny of decided by both Labour and Tory governments. Wales cannot trust either of them
Wales may have some chance of existing if it could remain n the European Union but it could never prosper because as noted it isn’t economically viable and n my opinion Wales does not possess enough intelligent people in politics who are clever enough to manage such a transition successfully.
I would interpret your last line as a lack of confidence not just in our politics but as a country. Is there, potentially, no-one in Wales who knows how to sustain a nation? How do the Irish or the people of Iceland get by without someone watching over their shoulders to make sure they've done it right?
Have always wanted it and always will.
1. 0.3% of the Welsh population are members of YesCymru
2. After Northern Ireland, Wales receives the most per capita under the Barnett settlement
3. Wales has the best representation of MPs per capita of all the 4 home nations
Wales doesn't do too bad being part of the union.
That's a pretty decent membership for a group like Yes Cymru, considering the low levels of political participation in the UK. For instance only about 0.2% of the population are members of the Conservative Party so to have 0.3% for a relatively new group about a traditionally fringe movement is pretty good going
the Tories have donations measured in millions, I'd be surprised if YesCymru had donations measured in thousands.
When you look at the Welsh results, the Tories polled better than Plaid Cymru at the last election. That says all you need to know about where the Welsh see their future. Around 10% vote for Plaid, and its not getting any higher than that.
Leaving the union would be economic suicide, as we have nothing much to offer the English in terms of trade.
All I'm saying is that it's a good level of membership, its not the round dismissal of independence you think it is. The most recent Welsh independence poll showed 32% of the country would vote for independence if a vote was held tomorrow. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...ghest-18832964
Plaid Cymru are pretty much a complete failure as a political party but aren't the only vessel for the independence movement, as seen here the majority of Welsh Labour voters would back independence: https://nation.cymru/news/new-poll-s...-independence/
I mentioned elsewhere that I don't see how "you'll be ruined without the union" is a particularly good argument for the union. Surely all that shows is the disregard held towards Wales by the Westminster government and the lack of economic development directed at Wales since the decimation of our national industries?
Just like leaving Europe will be economic suicide.
So if there was a vote in the house that all Welsh MPs wanted but English MPs didn't, who would win and would you be happy with this?
is the vote on a Welsh only issue or Union issue? If its not a devolved matter then that's part of being in the union and would be accepted. Regardless, it will be a cold day in hell when Labour and Tory MPs vote the same way, no matter what the issue.
Would love to be proved wrong but I just can't see how Wales can stand on its own financially as an independent nation.
One thing's for sure though the Tories won't come close to matching the level of regional EU funding that's been given to Wales over the years so perhaps it's better to be dirt poor and standing on our feet than dirt poor and on our knees ?
I fully support it. Similar size countries thrive, why can’t we?
are these similar sized countries economies so intertwined with a G8 nation that its impossible to differentiate one from the other?
How anyone believes that Wales is doing well, beggers belief. Under which metric of success would you say we are doing well?
A lot of Wales’s problems are social ones
Doesn't that also mean that after Scotland Wales receives the least per capita ?
what about England?
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