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I think this is potentially a good thing with a massive risk attached to it
What annoys me the most is with services like this, we allow private companies to milk it when times are good and then bail things out when they're bad.
Always at the tail end of the deal
Something had to be done.
The railway services have been a shambles for decades.
Not holding my breath as short of a major overhaul, I see a continuation of the poor and expensive service.
The "quick fix" mentality never works.
more spraff from the politicians. The metro idea has been around for over a decade and in that time all we've had are trains given a paint job. If we had as much activity with boots on the ground as we did with the WG's PR department, we'd have a public transport system on a parallel to Berlin
It'd be interesting to see the financial implications of ending the franchise early.
To me it makes sense to be state run as there isn't competition on a day to day basis.
If i stroll down to Ponty station I can only get on a TFW train, therefore the market pressures that drive efficiency in a well functioning market just don't exist - so the advantage of the market over public ownership is evaporated.
The theory is that firms compete for franchises - but that's only once every 20 years, and the years in-between there's nothing.
I'd like to see it state run, but with pseudo market-forces introduced.
Offer bonuses across the workforce based on service, price etc compared with the rest of the network or perhaps other countries.
If our trains are the cheapest to use and the most punctual then everyone gets a bonus etc.
as long as you keep all civil servants and public sector workers well away from the running of the company, and public ownership is exactly that, as a shareholder, then it could work. The moment you get civil servants and public sector workers trying to deliver competitive services, you accept failure.Originally Posted by Rjk
Bollocks.
touched a nerve. I've worked with many a civil servant and public sector worker, and they haven't got the first idea of what drives a commercial operation
I'm sure you have, just to fit your narrative of private = good, public = bad.
You are Feedback and I claim my £200 for passing go!
Perhaps - if your understanding of economics is limited to civil servants and public sector workers = bad and private ownership = good, without understanding what can drive private companies to be more efficient, and what happens when it isn't there.
Sadly there seem to be some in the Tory party who have a similarly shallow understanding, which is perhaps how we ended up with the kind of privatization that we did.
its not a shallow understanding. I'm not against public sector oversight, i just think the public sector worker doesn't have the right skills or training to make a success of what is a commercial operation.
What is a public sector worker? Are they all general public sector workers? Of course not, but it fits your narrative once again.
Surely if the public sector end up taking over, they'd then employ people fit for the roles required. Surely there's no difference there? You're not going to have Gary from housing suddenly driving a train or Maureen, the dinner lady, scheduling routes.
there is no difference between a public sector worker and a private sector worker, people just behave in whichever way they are incentivised.
It's been exactly the same with buses. Around the UK there are routes and areas that have such great demand that operators can compete and make a profit. Around South Wales that's certainly not the case. Operators avoid competition with each other as they lose income by competing on routes that don't provide the revenue.
Bus companies cut back on marginal routes but will spend and enhance the most profitable ones. Back in the days where it was publically owned, there were requirements to provide those marginal bus services, so people in remote or small places still had access to public transport. When bus operators trim these marginal routes, usually the local council end up offering them out to contract, often to less reliable operators who don't offer integrated tickets for people who need to use another bus afterwards.
Bus companies are happy to make decent profits on busy routes but they're also happy to ask for council money to continue routes that don't perform. That's not good for the passenger or the public purse.
There hasn't been a penny coming in for 7 months something had to give with no end in site when passenger numbers can return
seriously top end scrunt
Nationalise the trains , buses , gas , water , electricity etc and bring back social care into local authority teams instead of allowing private companies to make huge profits in delivering shit services
Naff off thatcher
I've told you before about local authority statutory care run by local authorities. Ask for help and they say they haven't the staff to help. Nationalised care via local authorities stinks. I can also tell you about nationalised trains. I used to catch the 06.40 out of Cardiff to Paddington up to 5 days a week. The service was abysmal and only improved when BR were competing for the contract which they eventually lost. I know costs have escalated but use of the trains has increased markedly over the years. However, I think ticketing should be centralised.
As for nationalised electricity power cuts due to industrial action were the order of the day. I remember well cooking a meal and boiling a kettle on a camping stove. Thank gawd those days are over. If you don't remember those days you must be younger than I thought. Just imagine if secondary picketing and workers holding the country to ransom. That's nationalisation for you.
Thatcherite nonsense , stick it up your arse
My mother and father had superb care from the NHS and social services on leaving hospital
6 weeks later they were handed over to private carers who turned up late and couldn't wait to get on to the next job
I used to catch the train before privatisation , the service was far better and more reliable
When you resort to bad language you have lost the argument.
She's a sort
Arse
what a well thought out and educated response.
It was more of your usual private sector bollocks though so it got the response it deserved
Privatisation in most cases led to in most cases not the cream rising to the top for the benefit of all but a few private firms acting in almost a monopoly or two or three to rake in the cash , crap service and increasing fares
Trains , buses , care services .....the private companies providing these are raking it in whilst paying staff minimum wage on zero hours contracts ......
Welcome to the wonders of the market place
I didn't vote for it so bollocks to it
and British Rail before it, whilst in public ownership, was a shining light on rail operation anywhere in the world.
the UK rail system is a shambles, it has been for years, and going back to public ownership won't change that.
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