No U turn on essential goods ban

[Tuerto]

Oh I forgot that. In Cardiff I never get out of my car and talk to anybody.

**** me, you live in Cardiff! Do you understand the concept of isolation?

[Tuerto]

What is factually wrong with what I said in my post.

Your facts are filled with deception. I'm out

[lisvaneblue]

Your facts are filled with deception. I'm out

Wake up and smell the coffee. We have a government currently treating us all like idiots. They instil fear everyday with talk of death rates and saving lives, yet the facts say that since mid year the overall death rates are no different this year to last and that includes Covid.
In March they prohibited travel over 5 miles with no evidence to back up the decision. Recently that prohibited travel outside authority boundaries, no evidence to back up the decision. These travel bans affected millions.
They have introduced the latest lockdown with frightening speed and no consultation. They said it would last two weeks, but not so sure now. They haven't told us what's to happen on 9 Nov, not me not you not any business in Wales knows. I wonder iff the Government knows?
They are taking away our freedom and liberties at a stroke and in my 75 years in this world I have never seen the public in Wales treated with so little respect by our leaders. They tell us that intensive care beds are full, not true. They say pubs and restaurants are safe and close them all. They tell us what we can and cannot buy as if we are infants, yet people have been frightened into submission and accept it. Doctors seem to have learned a lot about how to handle this virus our leaders very little. No doubt we will have another arbitrary lockdown in a month or two.
I like most obey the rules, and all the basics like distancing , hygiene etc, but Im against blindly accepting rules and regulations on a whim unless there is evidence to back them up.
70,000 people have signed the petition regarding non essential goods. At last some response from the public, but sadly little response from the Government. They obviously know best, as usual.

[lisvaneblue]

**** me, you live in Cardiff! Do you understand the concept of isolation?

Yep...bloody isolated now in my home because of the latest lockdown

[goats]

Wake up and smell the coffee. We have a government currently treating us all like idiots. They instil fear everyday with talk of death rates and saving lives, yet the facts say that since mid year the overall death rates are no different this year to last and that includes Covid.
In March they prohibited travel over 5 miles with no evidence to back up the decision. Recently that prohibited travel outside authority boundaries, no evidence to back up the decision. These travel bans affected millions.
They have introduced the latest lockdown with frightening speed and no consultation. They said it would last two weeks, but not so sure now. They haven't told us what's to happen on 9 Nov, not me not you not any business in Wales knows. I wonder iff the Government knows?
They are taking away our freedom and liberties at a stroke and in my 75 years in this world I have never seen the public in Wales treated with so little respect by our leaders. They tell us that intensive care beds are full, not true. They say pubs and restaurants are safe and close them all. They tell us what we can and cannot buy as if we are infants, yet people have been frightened into submission and accept it. Doctors seem to have learned a lot about how to handle this virus our leaders very little. No doubt we will have another arbitrary lockdown in a month or two.
I like most obey the rules, and all the basics like distancing , hygiene etc, but Im against blindly accepting rules and regulations on a whim unless there is evidence to back them up.
70,000 people have signed the petition regarding non essential goods. At last some response from the public, but sadly little response from the Government. They obviously know best, as usual.

The worm is beginning to turn with the WAG.....Westminster too. A very dangerous game is being played out, fear, lies, mis information, almost dictatorship.

[Heisenberg]

Speak to any of them not just in Castle street. The Reaction to the council by the castle st traders was widely reported at the time.
speak to the butcher in the market, alan Griffiths or to the guy who keeps the veg stall oppostie the fish monger.
ask alan about how they said the wouldn't have to pay rent/rates because the council closed their premises then changed their minds and told them they would put it in the accounts as arrears.
Ask them about footfall since the last lockdown and why they think its changed. But speak to any trader, you'll get the gist of it.

Shall I speak to Alan when I see him and mention you personally about your conversations with him, Sean?

Because that's what we're debating - whether you've had any of these conversations with vendors yourself, not whether there have been reports on WalesOnline about Alan Griffiths, (the Chairman of the Cardiff Market Traders association) being unhappy.

Which, it just so happens is exactly where you've got your information from, you liar

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-...s-18522610.amp

Another fake anecdote for xsnaggle.

[Rjk]

The worm is beginning to turn with the WAG.....Westminster too. A very dangerous game is being played out, fear, lies, mis information, almost dictatorship.

Dictatorship


Not being able to buy some cheaply made clothing for the next 12 days


Almost identical really.

[The Lone Gunman]

Not being able to buy some cheaply made clothing for the next 12 days.

Or go out for a drink. Or a meal. Or go to the cinema. Or meet up with a friend. Or a member of your family.

[Dorcus]

Yep...bloody isolated now in my home because of the latest lockdown

Yes but look on the bright side, you're fortunate to live in leafy Lisvane, other poor people are isolated in absolute shit tips (and many don't complain).

[lisvaneblue]

Yes but look on the bright side, you're fortunate to live in leafy Lisvane, other poor people are isolated in absolute shit tips (and many don't complain).

Yes I am fortunate, and don't think I don't realise that.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Or go out for a drink. Or a meal. Or go to the cinema. Or meet up with a friend. Or a member of your family.

Isn't that the point? The more contact people have with other people, the more the virus spreads?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Or go out for a drink. Or a meal. Or go to the cinema. Or meet up with a friend. Or a member of your family.

You can't go without a drink for 12 days? Go and see your doctor

Can't go out for a meal ? Get a takeaway

Can't go to the cinema ? Save a few quid and watch a dvd

Cant meet up with a friend ? Phone them up or Skype them

Cant meet a member of your family ? See above

Its a couple of weeks ff sake . You are not in solitary confinement like Nelson Mandela.

During world war two kids were hiding in bomb shelters and food was rationed. And that's really rationed , not what we have now .

Jesus wept .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Isn't that the point? The more contact people have with other people, the more the virus spreads?

Thats what the scientists say

But what do they know ?

[The Lone Gunman]

Isn't that the point? The more contact people have with other people, the more the virus spreads?

Yeah, so we're told. Ad infinitum. But I was merely pointing out that there's a bit more to this lockdown than not being able to buy some cheap clothing for the next 12 days.

[lisvaneblue]

You can't go without a drink for 12 days? Go and see your doctor

Can't go out for a meal ? Get a takeaway

Can't go to the cinema ? Save a few quid and watch a dvd

Cant meet up with a friend ? Phone them up or Skype them

Cant meet a member of your family ? See above

Its a couple of weeks ff sake . You are not in solitary confinement like Nelson Mandela.

During world war two kids were hiding in bomb shelters and food was rationed. And that's really rationed , not what we have now .

Jesus wept .

You are missing the KEY point....social interaction. Your world sounds like life through the internet and you'll watch Drakeford on it every morning to tell you what to eat, what to watch and which zoom meetings to participate in.

And your comment go and SEE a doctor, don't be daft this is Wales.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Yeah, so we're told. Ad infinitum. But I was merely pointing out that there's a bit more to this lockdown than not being able to buy some cheap clothing for the next 12 days.

We are told that by scientists who are experts in infection control

If I want advice on my car I phone my mechanic

[Eric the Half a Bee]

You are missing the KEY point....social interaction. Your world sounds like life through the internet and you'll watch Drakeford on it every morning to tell you what to eat, what to watch and which zoom meetings to participate in.

And your comment go and SEE a doctor, don't be daft this is Wales.

So you object to not being able to socially interact to try and halt the spread of Covid? Only a few moments ago you were saying you never get out of your car.....

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You are missing the KEY point....social interaction. Your world sounds like life through the internet and you'll watch Drakeford on it every morning to tell you what to eat, what to watch and which zoom meetings to participate in.

And your comment go and SEE a doctor, don't be daft this is Wales.

I just listen to the news for government guidance

You cannot see a doctor by just turning up round by me , you have to phone in the morning and get an appointment

Since April you generally get a phonecall back from a gp and if its considered serious you are able to attend the surgery , after sanitising your hands

My mother saw a heart specialist at Morriston hospital in Swansea recently and in late September she saw a elderly mental health psychiatrist in Llandough ten days after her gp referred her .

Whilst the pandemic is a pain I think the nonsense about not being able to see a doctor is clearly tory hyperbole

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So you object to not being able to socially interact to try and halt the spread of Covid? Only a few moments ago you were saying you never get out of your car.....

And drive up to brecon to say hello to a butcher and buy some pork sausages

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

70000 pissed off people have signed this petition

What is the population of Wales?

[life on mars]

Is the Average Covid death still at 82.5 , non Covid deaths 81.5 .

Covid deaths sitting at no19 in the death lists in September.

These are the key details on Tuesday:

Deaths reported today: 3 .

Cases Reported 366 (up from 286 on Monday)

Number of new tests: 9,806 (down from 10,886 on Monday)

[Rjk]

Is the Average Covid death still at 82.5 , non Covid deaths 81.5 .

Covid deaths sitting at no19 in the death lists in September.

These are the key details on Tuesday:

Deaths reported today: 3 .

Cases Reported 366 (up from 286 on Monday)

Number of new tests: 9,806 (down from 10,886 on Monday)

I thought there were 7 deaths reported today

[life on mars]

70000 pissed off people have signed this petition



What is the population of Wales?

3,136 million,, only 70,000 have the Internet

[life on mars]

I thought there were 7 deaths reported today

Took that off WOL ?? Might be wrong they have known to be ?

[goats]

Thats what the scientists say

But what do they know ?

Who knows, they keep changing their minds....