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Thread: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

  1. #61

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Isn't the aim to create a level playing field? Three elements, not giving supermarkets an economic advantage over local and other retailers, stopping a concentration of people into a confined space for a fortnight looking for goods that they would otherwise source elsewhere and instructing people that they should keep their journey where they come in contact with other human beings to an absolute minimum.
    Is the aim really to create a level playing field? If so, then in my opinion it's deeply flawed. I don't believe for a second that anyone who would normally buy what are being classified as non-essential items from smaller retailers would have instead decided to buy them in a supermarket during this particular fortnight. Unless it was an emergency of some sort, I think such people would almost certainly have waited for the smaller retailers to reopen. Similarly, I don't believe anyone who would normally buy non-essential items from a supermarket will instead decide to buy them from smaller retailers once this fortnight is over. On the contrary, I think we'll have a situation whereby the supermarket aisles that stock non-essential items will simply become a little busier for a short period once this fortnight has passed.

    At the behest of the government, everyone now has to wear a facemask while we're out shopping and the businesses themselves have spent millions implementing social distancing measures of one sort or another within their premises. In my experience, all of the shops I've visited on a regular basis in recent months have almost always been a good deal quieter than they ever were before Covid-19 struck. Therefore, I simply don't believe these measures are in any way necessary. They won't make one iota of difference to me personally and I'm sure the same is true for most people, but they are irritating all the same.

    I try not to watch or read the news too often these days and I try not to use social media too much either. It's far too depressing as far as I'm concerned. However, I think I'm right in saying that the so-called experts have repeatedly stated that the vast majority of Covid-19 transmissions are happening within households. If they are correct, then it further underlines just how petty and pointless measures to stop people buying non-essential items in supermarkets for a fortnight really are.

  2. #62

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Tobacco...essential? Not for me? Beer essential...yes for me, but maybe not for you.

    A kettle maybe essential for both of us if ours breaks. But Drakeford says it's not essential.

    Are we stupid? Or is it that Drakeford think's we are and in need of child like guidance?
    Drakeford is not alone in thinking that you are stupid and in need of guidance.

    ....bit harsh. There are plenty of people who are oblivious though. Maybe you arenít one of them, maybe you are and are just having a whinge . Either way, they are doing this so that the hospitals donít become overwhelmed and they canít take a chance on trusting people to behave.... which I think if you are being honest, youíd admit that a lot of people donít. If one person doesnít behave appropriately, the knock on could be serious.

    Canít you just put up with not having stuff for a couple of weeks for the sake of everyone elseís well being?

  3. #63

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Is the aim really to create a level playing field? If so, then in my opinion it's deeply flawed. I don't believe for a second that anyone who would normally buy what are being classified as non-essential items from smaller retailers would have instead decided to buy them in a supermarket during this particular fortnight. Unless it was an emergency of some sort, I think such people would almost certainly have waited for the smaller retailers to reopen. Similarly, I don't believe anyone who would normally buy non-essential items from a supermarket will instead decide to buy them from smaller retailers once this fortnight is over. On the contrary, I think we'll have a situation whereby the supermarket aisles that stock non-essential items will simply become a little busier for a short period once this fortnight has passed.

    At the behest of the government, everyone now has to wear a facemask while we're out shopping and the businesses themselves have spent millions implementing social distancing measures of one sort or another within their premises. In my experience, all of the shops I've visited on a regular basis in recent months have almost always been a good deal quieter than they ever were before Covid-19 struck. Therefore, I simply don't believe these measures are in any way necessary. They won't make one iota of difference to me personally and I'm sure the same is true for most people, but they are irritating all the same.

    I try not to watch or read the news too often these days and I try not to use social media too much either. It's far too depressing as far as I'm concerned. However, I think I'm right in saying that the so-called experts have repeatedly stated that the vast majority of Covid-19 transmissions are happening within households. If they are correct, then it further underlines just how petty and pointless measures to stop people buying non-essential items in supermarkets for a fortnight really are.
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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    But what TLG says is correct about transmission. Drakeford said himself that their evidence indicates there is no justification in blaming pubs and restaurants for the spread. He said it is being 'community' spread through households and families.
    Having said that he then closes the pubs and restaurants and thorws thousands out of work again.
    It makes little sense really.

  5. #65

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    17 days isnít it? Well, 15 from tomorrow and parents are desperate to buy their kids clothes, why didnít they pick a few things up last week? Canít people get it into their heads that the measures are all about reducing numbers in shops for a short while, a very short while. Is anyone really in need of an emergency pair of Asda trousers?
    its the same people who deny this a problem and still carrying on as normal causing all these these rules

  6. #66

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    Have not read the whole thread, but, why don't the supermarkets implement the system they had in the previous lockdown, which was "ONE PERSON PER FAMILY, ALLOWED IN AT A TIME" ?

    Why do people need to trapse 6 kids with them, when they go shopping. ?

  7. #67

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    And there was me thinking it was the young and left wingers who were supposed to be the snowflakes .

  8. #68

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wright View Post
    Drakeford is not alone in thinking that you are stupid and in need of guidance.

    ....bit harsh. There are plenty of people who are oblivious though. Maybe you aren’t one of them, maybe you are and are just having a whinge . Either way, they are doing this so that the hospitals don’t become overwhelmed and they can’t take a chance on trusting people to behave.... which I think if you are being honest, you’d admit that a lot of people don’t. If one person doesn’t behave appropriately, the knock on could be serious.

    Can’t you just put up with not having stuff for a couple of weeks for the sake of everyone else’s well being?
    I liked the old system when the NHS looked after us rather than the other way around

  9. #69

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Have not read the whole thread, but, why don't the supermarkets implement the system they had in the previous lockdown, which was "ONE PERSON PER FAMILY, ALLOWED IN AT A TIME" ?

    Why do people need to trapse 6 kids with them, when they go shopping. ?
    when you're a single parent there's not always an alternative.

    trust me nobody wants to take 6 kids with them to a supermarket.
    going on your own is absolute heaven sometimes

  10. #70

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    But what TLG says is correct about transmission. Drakeford said himself that their evidence indicates there is no justification in blaming pubs and restaurants for the spread. He said it is being 'community' spread through households and families.
    Having said that he then closes the pubs and restaurants and thorws thousands out of work again.
    It makes little sense really.
    Even Drakeford realises that he can't control what happens within every household in Wales, but he has to do something and closing pubs and restaurants is something that he can do.

  11. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    And there was me thinking it was the young and left wingers who were supposed to be the snowflakes .
    Given the content of this thread perhaps snowdrops rather than snowflakes would be more apt.

  12. #72

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    I liked the old system when the NHS looked after us rather than the other way around
    Sometimes I guess all you can do is wonder how that might have changed!

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...ul/ar-BB13u0OS


    The group agreed that there had to be a simple, sharp message that all Government communications could get behind. Mr De Zoete suggested a simple message to stay at home. Mr Guerin then pointed to how the phrase "Stay at Home, Save Lives" had been successful in other parts of the world.

    Mr Cain agreed and added a line about protecting the NHS - a key policy of the Tories' general election landslide in December. Mr Levido, Mr Guerin and Mr Cain then set about honing and refining the wording.

    The following day the simple three-part message on coronavirus was born: "Stay Home. Protect the NHS. Save Lives."

  13. #73

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Power to the people :

    Ministers are to review rules on sales of non-essential items that have been criticised in a petition signed by more than 60,000 people.
    Supermarkets have been told to close parts of their stores that sell items such as clothes, bedding and toys during Wales' firebreak lockdown.
    First Minister Mark Drakeford said implementation of the rule may be tweaked, but it would not be reversed.
    The petition is now the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.

  14. #74

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    He has just given people an excuse to kick back, no one really cares whether they are taped off or not, what we are seeing is people saying he can't tell me what to do/buy, and other people saying yes he can it's for our own good, basically a battle between rule followers and rule-breakers or people who have had enough.

  15. #75

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  16. #76

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Power to the people :

    Ministers are to review rules on sales of non-essential items that have been criticised in a petition signed by more than 60,000 people.
    Supermarkets have been told to close parts of their stores that sell items such as clothes, bedding and toys during Wales' firebreak lockdown.
    First Minister Mark Drakeford said implementation of the rule may be tweaked, but it would not be reversed.
    The petition is now the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.
    They should have a debate in the senydd, maybe 2 weeks today

  17. #77

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebina View Post
    He has just given people an excuse to kick back, no one really cares whether they are taped off or not, what we are seeing is people saying he can't tell me what to do/buy, and other people saying yes he can it's for our own good, basically a battle between rule followers and rule-breakers or people who have had enough.
    Basically a battle between people who accept this is shit but a hand brake needs applying to stop the virus spreading and it may only be for a few weeks

    And on the other side, a bunch of silly twats

  18. #78

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    They should have a debate in the senydd, maybe 2 weeks today
    It's looking like a big con. The Senedd petitions website says that this petition will be discussed by the Petitions committee for debate in the Senedd once all signatures are in by the deadline of 23 April 2021....only six months to go before it can be discussed.

  19. #79

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Hopefully the WAG can get back to giving the message as to why we're in the Firebreak for 2 weeks and on whose advice they took.
    People seem to have forgotten that this was SAGE's advice that Boris has ignored, but Drakeford has listened to and implemented.

  20. #80

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Power to the people :

    Ministers are to review rules on sales of non-essential items that have been criticised in a petition signed by more than 60,000 people.
    Supermarkets have been told to close parts of their stores that sell items such as clothes, bedding and toys during Wales' firebreak lockdown.
    First Minister Mark Drakeford said implementation of the rule may be tweaked, but it would not be reversed.
    The petition is now the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.
    Hot News: Several small boats full of refugees have been seen landing on the beach at Weston-Super-Mare.

    The police have rounded them up and sent them back to Wales

  21. #81

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    It's looking like a big con. The Senedd petitions website says that this petition will be discussed by the Petitions committee for debate in the Senedd once all signatures are in by the deadline of 23 April 2021....only six months to go before it can be discussed.
    That's brilliant news perhaps we can have a nice chat about it then and in the meantime get on with saving lives

  22. #82

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebina View Post
    He has just given people an excuse to kick back, no one really cares whether they are taped off or not, what we are seeing is people saying he can't tell me what to do/buy, and other people saying yes he can it's for our own good, basically a battle between rule followers and rule-breakers or people who have had enough.
    Indeed. What Drakeford and Co have done in this particular instance is brought in a measure that appears petty and will have no practical benefit whatsoever, but will instead cause unnecessary irritation and confusion, and will deflect attention from the most important message, which should be to stay out of other people's houses for a few weeks.

  23. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Indeed. What Drakeford and Co have done in this particular instance is brought in a measure that appears petty and will have no practical benefit whatsoever, but will instead cause unnecessary irritation and confusion, and will deflect attention from the most important message, which should be to stay out of other people's houses for a few weeks.
    Do you actually buy the its mainly spread by people going into other households.?

  24. #84

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Do you actually buy the its mainly spread by people going into other households.?
    That's what the experts are apparently saying, including Drakeford himself.

  25. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    And there was me thinking it was the young and left wingers who were supposed to be the snowflakes .
    People are edgy, understandable i suppose. I've not sat down and attempted to work out the logic of not being able to buy non essential goods, i really can't be arsed. One thing is for sure though; if that's all that people have a gripe about concerning this government then they can't be doing that bad.

  26. #86

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    I liked the old system when the NHS looked after us rather than the other way around
    Was that the case during the last Pandemic, or the one before that?

  27. #87

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Power to the people :

    Ministers are to review rules on sales of non-essential items that have been criticised in a petition signed by more than 60,000 people.
    Supermarkets have been told to close parts of their stores that sell items such as clothes, bedding and toys during Wales' firebreak lockdown.
    First Minister Mark Drakeford said implementation of the rule may be tweaked, but it would not be reversed.
    The petition is now the largest ever submitted to the Senedd.
    And we have homelessness out of control, NHS workers offered a duff deal on pay and conditions, education failing kids in the poorest communities, services slashed and a huge loss of funding to Wales due to leaving the EU, yet someone can't buy some tealight candles for a fortnight and there's ****ing Meltdown. The biggest petition ever submitted to the senedd you say? Yup, Power to the people and no delay!

  28. #88

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Do you actually buy the its mainly spread by people going into other households.?
    I do, some people are taking the piss. I know a few people who have had a crowd over for kids parties etc.

  29. #89

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    That's what the experts are apparently saying, including Drakeford himself.
    Yes ive heard several politicians as well as Drakeford. I just dont believe its the main cause of the spread.

  30. #90

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Yes ive heard several politicians as well as Drakeford. I just dont believe its the main cause of the spread.
    What do you reckon is the main cause? Or any significant cause? Itís really hard to know what to believe as there is so much conflicting Ďexpertí opinion, but whatís your take on it?

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