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    Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    https://petitions.senedd.wales/



    There is an on line petition its got 55k so far

    Allow supermarkets to sell "non-essential" items during lockdown
    The Welsh Government, as part of its 17 day "firebreak" lockdown, is banning the selling of non-essential goods from shops that are allowed to remain open. We do not agree that this is a prudent or rational measure, and will create more harm than good.

    We do not agree for example that parents should be barred from buying clothes for their children during lockdown while out shopping. This is disproportionate and cruel and we ask that the decision be reversed immediately.

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    17 days isn’t it? Well, 15 from tomorrow and parents are desperate to buy their kids clothes, why didn’t they pick a few things up last week? Can’t people get it into their heads that the measures are all about reducing numbers in shops for a short while, a very short while. Is anyone really in need of an emergency pair of Asda trousers?

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    17 days isn’t it? Well, 15 from tomorrow and parents are desperate to buy their kids clothes, why didn’t they pick a few things up last week? Can’t people get it into their heads that the measures are all about reducing numbers in shops for a short while, a very short while. Is anyone really in need of an emergency pair of Asda trousers?
    its the same people who deny this a problem and still carrying on as normal causing all these these rules

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Have not read the whole thread, but, why don't the supermarkets implement the system they had in the previous lockdown, which was "ONE PERSON PER FAMILY, ALLOWED IN AT A TIME" ?

    Why do people need to trapse 6 kids with them, when they go shopping. ?

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Have not read the whole thread, but, why don't the supermarkets implement the system they had in the previous lockdown, which was "ONE PERSON PER FAMILY, ALLOWED IN AT A TIME" ?

    Why do people need to trapse 6 kids with them, when they go shopping. ?
    when you're a single parent there's not always an alternative.

    trust me nobody wants to take 6 kids with them to a supermarket.
    going on your own is absolute heaven sometimes

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    https://petitions.senedd.wales/



    There is an on line petition its got 55k so far

    Allow supermarkets to sell "non-essential" items during lockdown
    The Welsh Government, as part of its 17 day "firebreak" lockdown, is banning the selling of non-essential goods from shops that are allowed to remain open. We do not agree that this is a prudent or rational measure, and will create more harm than good.

    We do not agree for example that parents should be barred from buying clothes for their children during lockdown while out shopping. This is disproportionate and cruel and we ask that the decision be reversed immediately.

    Sign this petition
    59,602 signatures

    5,000
    The Petitions Committee will consider this for a debate
    The Petitions Committee considers all petitions that get more than 5,000 signatures for a debate

    The Petitions Committee will consider this petition
    All petitions with more than 50 signatures will be discussed by the Petitions Committee after they have finished collecting signatures

    Share this petition
    I don't have kids so happy to be corrected on this if it comes across as a bit unsympathetic due to ignorance but do most kids not have enough clothes to last the next two weeks?

  7. #7

    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    If you have very young children and no much wardrobe it could be difficult as woudl buying new sheets , broken stuff like a microwave in a flat etc etc , apparently its to protect local businesses who sell these goods and are closed , I#m guessing it will just fill the coffers of the like of Amazon and damage the economy further .

    A lot of older folk who rely on the little things in life , to purchases from a supermarket rather than Amazon will be effected ,they also enjoy the experience of the browsing for their grandchildren .

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If you have very young children and no much wardrobe it could be difficult as woudl buying new sheets , broken stuff like a microwave in a flat etc etc , apparently its to protect local businesses who sell these goods and are closed , I#m guessing it will just fill the coffers of the like of Amazon and damage the economy further .

    A lot of older folk who rely on the little things in life , to purchases from a supermarket rather than Amazon will be effected ,they also enjoy the experience of the browsing for their grandchildren .
    You’ve hit the nail on the head with your ‘browsing’ comment. Do you remember during the first lockdown how it was drummed into us to wear disposable gloves, wipe supermarket trolley handles, try and open doors with sleeved elbows etc? People browsing through clothes is the exact thing that should being discouraged, it’s been stated that the virus stays on things for quite a while so eliminating this is surely a good thing.

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    You’ve hit the nail on the head with your ‘browsing’ comment. Do you remember during the first lockdown how it was drummed into us to wear disposable gloves, wipe supermarket trolley handles, try and open doors with sleeved elbows etc? People browsing through clothes is the exact thing that should being discouraged, it’s been stated that the virus stays on things for quite a while so eliminating this is surely a good thing.
    Browsing in not a problem unless you are within close range of another person who is also browsing. Looking at clothes in a supermarket is no different than browsing for say cheese, and Ive come across a lot of people who spend a lot of time browsing for fresh food.
    As for the virus staying on things for a while, yes it can and always has, which is why hand hygiene is so important, And today supermarkets are so much better than last March in supplying sanitiser for the customers.

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Browsing in not a problem unless you are within close range of another person who is also browsing.
    Which would definitely happen

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Which would definitely happen
    It takes two...if someone is browsing keep your distance. If they come too close remind them of the 2 metre rule. It's not rocket science

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If you have very young children and no much wardrobe it could be difficult as woudl buying new sheets , broken stuff like a microwave in a flat etc etc , apparently its to protect local businesses who sell these goods and are closed , I#m guessing it will just fill the coffers of the like of Amazon and damage the economy further .

    A lot of older folk who rely on the little things in life , to purchases from a supermarket rather than Amazon will be effected ,they also enjoy the experience of the browsing for their grandchildren .
    That's why they're not selling non essential goods

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    That's why they're not selling non essential goods
    Tobacco...essential? Not for me? Beer essential...yes for me, but maybe not for you.

    A kettle maybe essential for both of us if ours breaks. But Drakeford says it's not essential.

    Are we stupid? Or is it that Drakeford think's we are and in need of child like guidance?

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Tobacco...essential? Not for me? Beer essential...yes for me, but maybe not for you.

    A kettle maybe essential for both of us if ours breaks. But Drakeford says it's not essential.

    Are we stupid? Or is it that Drakeford think's we are and in need of child like guidance?
    Seems that plenty of people are acting like children having been told they aren't allowed to shop for frivolous things for a measly 2 weeks.

    Surely if it can save people's lives it isn't that big of a sacrifice to have to make?

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Seems that plenty of people are acting like children having been told they aren't allowed to shop for frivolous things for a measly 2 weeks.

    Surely if it can save people's lives it isn't that big of a sacrifice to have to make?
    Supermarkets are one of the safest places to be, with a VERY low incidence of people catching Covid because of a visit. Lives are at minimum risk if people do the basics...2 metres apart ( I've see people every day talking or queuing no more that half a metre apart), hand hygiene, sanitise on way in and out of supermarket, and wear a mask.
    Why does our First Minister have a go at shoppers when the evidence is that the virus spreads via large groups of young people, close interaction in closed places like busy pubs/clubs or gatherings in homes, or catching the virus in a Welsh hospital?

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post

    Are we stupid? Or is it that Drakeford think's we are and in need of child like guidance?
    Well considering you were on here asking if you could drive to Brecon to get meat from your favourite butchers when we and most of the world were in full lockdown I'd say it's the second one and probably not without reason

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Tobacco...essential? Not for me? Beer essential...yes for me, but maybe not for you.

    A kettle maybe essential for both of us if ours breaks. But Drakeford says it's not essential.

    Are we stupid? Or is it that Drakeford think's we are and in need of child like guidance?
    Drakeford is not alone in thinking that you are stupid and in need of guidance.

    ....bit harsh. There are plenty of people who are oblivious though. Maybe you aren’t one of them, maybe you are and are just having a whinge . Either way, they are doing this so that the hospitals don’t become overwhelmed and they can’t take a chance on trusting people to behave.... which I think if you are being honest, you’d admit that a lot of people don’t. If one person doesn’t behave appropriately, the knock on could be serious.

    Can’t you just put up with not having stuff for a couple of weeks for the sake of everyone else’s well being?

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wright View Post
    Drakeford is not alone in thinking that you are stupid and in need of guidance.

    ....bit harsh. There are plenty of people who are oblivious though. Maybe you aren’t one of them, maybe you are and are just having a whinge . Either way, they are doing this so that the hospitals don’t become overwhelmed and they can’t take a chance on trusting people to behave.... which I think if you are being honest, you’d admit that a lot of people don’t. If one person doesn’t behave appropriately, the knock on could be serious.

    Can’t you just put up with not having stuff for a couple of weeks for the sake of everyone else’s well being?
    I liked the old system when the NHS looked after us rather than the other way around

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If you have very young children and no much wardrobe it could be difficult as woudl buying new sheets , broken stuff like a microwave in a flat etc etc , apparently its to protect local businesses who sell these goods and are closed , I#m guessing it will just fill the coffers of the like of Amazon and damage the economy further .

    A lot of older folk who rely on the little things in life , to purchases from a supermarket rather than Amazon will be effected ,they also enjoy the experience of the browsing for their grandchildren .
    Don't say Amazon like there aren't more ethical options. Try Trade Craft for clothes instead: https://www.traidcraftshop.co.uk/

    I think there will be a climbdown on basis of this, non-essential goods rule, being announced later in the week compared to initial fire-break lockdown but we'll have to wait and see. We don't want people spending too long browsing for clothes as that risks 17 days not being long enough so unless you need to, and most of these debates start to suggest why different items are essential, you should try to avoid spending extra time indoors whether there is a climbdown or not.

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Not signing that. It's 17 days that's all.
    Was meant to be going to the Gower for the week but that got cancelled, so already planned for it by buying last week the stuff I needed for a bit of DIY over the next couple of weeks.
    There's always Amazon if I suddenly realise I cant live without something.

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    I doubt anyone who has signed this needs to buy clothes in the next 2 weeks.

    This is about making this lockdown as effective as it possibly can be, the less time we spend in public places the better.

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I doubt anyone who has signed this needs to buy clothes in the next 2 weeks.

    This is about making this lockdown as effective as it possibly can be, the less time we spend in public places the better.
    That's right. which is why, when out, being able to buy all you need at a one stop shop is important.

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    That's right. which is why, when out, being able to buy all you need at a one stop shop is important.
    to go bak to my first point - nobody needs to buy clothes in the next 2 weeks

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    It takes two...if someone is browsing keep your distance. If they come too close remind them of the 2 metre rule. It's not rocket science
    What if two stupid feckwits are browsing close to each other . And that happens several times in one hour , in just one shop ?

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    Re: Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    That's right. which is why, when out, being able to buy all you need at a one stop shop is important.
    Do you think , in the time of a pandemic , that Sharon needs to buy new underwear alongside her tins of beans and rice puddings ? Now if she has no knickers then I agree , she needs to buy underwear but if she does have underwear , she doesn't need it .

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