Petition WAG Let Parents Buy Essential Goods

[Rjk]

And how was it in there? Were the staff managing to keep the hordes of non-essential shoppers at bay?

t the store had to abandon the socially-distanced queuing system it's had in place for the last three or four months because those queues usually begin in the aisles that are now blocked off. Great work, WAG.

Clearly Morrisons llanishen didn't HAVE to abandon their queueing system, they could quite easily have moved everything out from that aisle, or put plastic sheets over it or whatever.

[the other bob wilson]

And how was it in there? Were the staff managing to keep the hordes of non-essential shoppers at bay?

I've been in three supermarkets since Saturday. On the way home from work yesterday evening, I called into Morrisons in Llanishen to get some milk and cereals. The first thing that greeted me as I passed through the barriers was a large display of toys positioned where they usually stack boxes of bottled beers. The Sky article you linked suggested supermarkets are not able to sell books or stationery, but these were readily available in Morrisons along with DVDs and CDs. The aisle where these items are stocked was operating as normal.

They sell a limited range of clothes in Morrisons these days, mostly stuff for young kids, but the aisle where these are stocked was blocked off, as was the aisle where the homeware is kept. They were blocked at either end by large pallets stacked with boxes of unwrapped produce. One of the knock-on effects of this was less room in the shop's central aisle. The other was that the store had to abandon the socially-distanced queuing system it's had in place for the last three or four months because those queues usually begin in the aisles that are now blocked off. Great work, WAG.

Onto B&M next door, where I was after some sweets I'm particularly partial to. This was hilarious. I wondered what the staff would manage to do in there as almost everything sold in B&M could be classified as non-essential. Their answer to the WAG's policy was to put a bit of gaffer tape at chest height across a couple of the aisles with hastily-printed pieces of A4 paper attached saying 'Please Only Buy Essential Goods'. There weren't many people in the shop (it was 7:15pm) and those that were there had completely ignored the signs. Literally everybody who was queuing up for the tills had items that were almost exclusively in the non-essential category. Naturally enough, the staff couldn't have cared less.

Today I popped over to Lidl in Splott to get my stock of canned drinks for work - something I do once a week. All of the central display units which usually stock all of the weird and wonderful non-food items that Lidl sells were turned back to front. This set me wondering how many people ever actually go into Lidl with a specific non-essential item in mind. I doubt it's many. I only ever go there for food or drink, but I come out with all sorts of shit.

To me, the whole thing looks exactly what it is - a pointless, petty shambles which has been put in place for no good reason.

Here's a question for you and any other non-moaners: earlier in the year, when the virus was at its height in Wales, supermarkets were free to sell non-essential goods. We also weren't required by the WAG to wear face coverings while shopping in these stores. So what has changed? Why was it OK for supermarkets to sell non-essential good in March, April and May, but now it is allegedly outlawed? It's almost as if this measure hasn't been thought through properly.....

I went to Lidls as well yesterday and they had done the same thing, but it was it was impossible to get at or even see what the goods were. I never go into Aldis or Lidls with the intention of buying anything "non essential" either, but I always have a look at what's there and about once every six weeks or so, I see something I decide to buy. Although I don't spend as much time looking in the non essential areas now as I did pre Covid, it can sometimes add five or ten minutes to my shop and, so it may be that I'm the type of shopper the Government wants to discourage with their non essential goods decision.

If Drakeford had come out and said no non essential shopping until the spring, I could understand the reaction of some, but we're talking about seventeen days out of people's lives here (plus another seventeen in the New Year I'd guess), so I can live with that.

As far as the wearing of masks goes, attitudes towards them have changed in countries like here and America from the scepticism we saw at Government level in the spring. That's the thing, although there are an awful lot of people who talk like they know it all about this virus, the truth is that none of us do because barely anyone still alive can remember the last time something like this happened. I've been very critical of the UK Government over the last few months, some of that has been with the benefit of hindsight and it'll be the same if the Welsh Government are proved wrong about their firebreak lockdown - I'll admit they got it wrong, but, for now, none of us can know for sure whether they have or not.

I notice no one has answered my question asking what non essential goods are the critics going to be desperate for before 9 November - I suspect that's because they know that, in truth there is nothing outside of the definition of "essential" in that article that they really have to get in the next twelve or thirteen days.

[goats]

Sure I saw a graph last week depicting the spread Of Covid was almost 90% In household mixing, this could be general gatherings for a few drinks, or people going back post pub or just to watch football etc I’m not sure. There hasn’t been a single case in my kids school, heard of one or two in schools nearby like roath park and Albany, but not much at Primary level.

[qccfc]

Sure I saw a graph last week depicting the spread Of Covid was almost 90% In household mixing, this could be general gatherings for a few drinks, or people going back post pub or just to watch football etc I’m not sure. There hasn’t been a single case in my kids school, heard of one or two in schools nearby like roath park and Albany, but not much at Primary level.

There are quite a few cases in my children's school.

If your child catches it from school, but then comes home and gives it to their Mother, Father and Brother, would that count as 3 household transmissions against 1 school transmission.

[Hilts]

And how was it in there? Were the staff managing to keep the hordes of non-essential shoppers at bay?

I've been in three supermarkets since Saturday. On the way home from work yesterday evening, I called into Morrisons in Llanishen to get some milk and cereals. The first thing that greeted me as I passed through the barriers was a large display of toys positioned where they usually stack boxes of bottled beers. The Sky article you linked suggested supermarkets are not able to sell books or stationery, but these were readily available in Morrisons along with DVDs and CDs. The aisle where these items are stocked was operating as normal.

They sell a limited range of clothes in Morrisons these days, mostly stuff for young kids, but the aisle where these are stocked was blocked off, as was the aisle where the homeware is kept. They were blocked at either end by large pallets stacked with boxes of unwrapped produce. One of the knock-on effects of this was less room in the shop's central aisle. The other was that the store had to abandon the socially-distanced queuing system it's had in place for the last three or four months because those queues usually begin in the aisles that are now blocked off. Great work, WAG.

Onto B&M next door, where I was after some sweets I'm particularly partial to. This was hilarious. I wondered what the staff would manage to do in there as almost everything sold in B&M could be classified as non-essential. Their answer to the WAG's policy was to put a bit of gaffer tape at chest height across a couple of the aisles with hastily-printed pieces of A4 paper attached saying 'Please Only Buy Essential Goods'. There weren't many people in the shop (it was 7:15pm) and those that were there had completely ignored the signs. Literally everybody who was queuing up for the tills had items that were almost exclusively in the non-essential category. Naturally enough, the staff couldn't have cared less.

Today I popped over to Lidl in Splott to get my stock of canned drinks for work - something I do once a week. All of the central display units which usually stock all of the weird and wonderful non-food items that Lidl sells were turned back to front. This set me wondering how many people ever actually go into Lidl with a specific non-essential item in mind. I doubt it's many. I only ever go there for food or drink, but I come out with all sorts of shit.

To me, the whole thing looks exactly what it is - a pointless, petty shambles which has been put in place for no good reason.

Here's a question for you and any other non-moaners: earlier in the year, when the virus was at its height in Wales, supermarkets were free to sell non-essential goods. We also weren't required by the WAG to wear face coverings while shopping in these stores. So what has changed? Why was it OK for supermarkets to sell non-essential good in March, April and May, but now it is allegedly outlawed? It's almost as if this measure hasn't been thought through properly.....

The answer is its a just over 2 week lockdown to try to get maximum effect for that period.

[The Lone Gunman]

The answer is its a just over 2 week lockdown to try to get maximum effect for that period.

Sure it is. They weren't bothered about maximum effect earlier in the year. They're just bothered about it now.

[Hilts]

Sure it is. They weren't bothered about maximum effect earlier in the year. They're just bothered about it now.

Yes because its for 2 weeks not several months. I may be wrong but they probably feel people can manage for 2 weeks without the items classed as non essential whereas several months it will be far more difficult.

I doubt many young children will change clothes or shoe sizes in 2 weeks. We are not talking about moving from just past winter to the middle of summer so new clothes footwear are needed.

Im not saying this non essential restriction policy will have much effect. But i dont get why people are up in arms over it.

[The Lone Gunman]

Yes because its for 2 weeks not several months.

I'm not sure I'm following your logic here. Are you suggesing that during the first lockdown the WAG knew the situation was going to last for several months, so they therefore had no problem with people buying any old shit in supermarkets?

[Tuerto]

I'm not sure I'm following your logic here. Are you suggesing that during the first lockdown the WAG knew the situation was going to last for several months, so they therefore had no problem with people buying any old shit in supermarkets?

I'd say yes, as there weren't any other physical outlets where you could buy other shit.

[The Lone Gunman]

I'd say yes, as there weren't any other physical outlets where you could buy other shit.

Right. So they closed non-essential stores, and decided it was OK for people to buy non-essential stuff in supermarkets because there was nowhere else to buy it. Like now.

[life on mars]

I still want to know , as TLG points out if we're are still living with the Virus why indeed didn't WAG keep the disciplines of mask wearing in supermarkets where the elderly regulary frequent, it was a risk tgen as it is now

Since the original first lockdown I've worn a mask each time I entered these awful establishments , and its been very noticeable how many haven't, should we not be aware of the risk in these environments at all times and not apply a switch on and off moment policy .

[Hilts]

I still want to know , as TLG points out if we're are still living with the Virus why indeed didn't WAG keep the disciplines of mask wearing in supermarkets where the elderly regulary frequent, it was a risk tgen as it is now

Since the original first lockdown I've worn a mask each time I entered these awful establishments , and its been very noticeable how many haven't, should we not be aware of the risk in these environments at all times and not apply a switch on and off moment policy .

Youve got to wear a mask havent you? Unless exempt.

[Hilts]

I havent met anyone revelling in it either.

[PontBlue]

The essential vs non-essential rule was brought in so small retailers wouldn't lose (any more) trade to the supermarkets although they can still lose out to Amazon.

It seems like it was brought in with the best of intentions but for some their political blinkers stop them from considering this.

[The Lone Gunman]

The essential vs non-essential rule was brought in so small retailers wouldn't lose (any more) trade to the supermarkets although they can still lose out to Amazon.

Right. So nothing to do with limiting the spread of the virus? No scientific basis for it at all? Just the WAG deciding when and where we can spend our money?

[The Lone Gunman]

The essential vs non-essential rule was brought in so small retailers wouldn't lose (any more) trade to the supermarkets although they can still lose out to Amazon. It seems like it was brought in with the best of intentions but for some their political blinkers stop them from considering this.

Statement from the WAG this evening: "We continue to work closely with the sector and would stress that these restrictions are in place to stop the spread of coronavirus and save lives."

So, it would appear that those of you who claim this policy was brought in to somehow support small businesses are wrong. Either that, or the WAG is lying.

[Tuerto]

Right. So they closed non-essential stores, and decided it was OK for people to buy non-essential stuff in supermarkets because there was nowhere else to buy it. Like now.

Spot on, but the difference in my opinion is that this lockdown is two weeks or so, so from where I'm sat, it looks like they're trying to minimise contact for a short period of time. I have absolutely no evidence to say that it Will make an ounce of difference though, I just don't know, same as everyone else.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Spot on, but the difference in my opinion is that this lockdown is two weeks or so, so from where I'm sat, it looks like they're trying to minimise contact for a short period of time. I have absolutely no evidence to say that it Will make an ounce of difference though, I just don't know, same as everyone else.

If my experiences yesterday are anything to go by, roads were busy, supermarket was busy enough and it was nothing like the previous lockdown. Before anyone suggests I was doing the same, had to take a pet to the vet and needed to get some stuff for him in an emergency.

I reckon the rate will barely drop at all as people no longer give a shit.

[lisvaneblue]

[QUOTE=Eric the Half a Bee;5130167]If my experiences yesterday are anything to go by, roads were busy, supermarket was busy enough and it was nothing like the previous lockdown. Before anyone suggests I was doing the same, had to take a pet to the vet and needed to get some stuff for him in an emergency.

I reckon the rate will barely drop at all as people no longer give a shit.[/QUOTE

Totally agree. I was out today for the first time since Saturday. It was just like a 'normal' day. Lots of traffic and busy supermarket. I too think people are paying lip service to the lockdown.

[The Lone Gunman]

If my experiences yesterday are anything to go by, roads were busy, supermarket was busy enough and it was nothing like the previous lockdown. Before anyone suggests I was doing the same, had to take a pet to the vet and needed to get some stuff for him in an emergency.

I reckon the rate will barely drop at all as people no longer give a shit.

The volume of traffic on the roads going into work this week have been pretty much the same as they have been for the last few months, but the buses back have been much quieter - an obvious effect of closing the shops in the city centre.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The volume of traffic on the roads going into work this week have been pretty much the same as they have been for the last few months, but the buses back have been much quieter - an obvious effect of closing the shops in the city centre.

My local bus operator, Stagecoach, have introduced a slightly reduced frequency on most of its services, but nowhere near to the level they did back in March for the first lockdown. That makes me think they know most people will still go out and about regardless of the lockdown.

[Tuerto]

I know you don't use Facebook. If you did, your view might be somewhat different.

One of the many reasons I don't use Facebook. Seems like a haven for blowhards and reactionaries. Plus I'm not that interesting!

[lisvaneblue]

Can I buy a British Legion poppy or is that a non essential item?

[Tuerto]

Can I buy a British Legion poppy or is that a non essential item?

Non essential in my opinion.

[The Lone Gunman]

Non essential in my opinion.

I reckon the WAG should outlaw all professional sport in Wales for the duration of the 'firebreak lockdown' and also ban professional teams from travelling outside of the Welsh borders. Doing so would be pointless, but it would be different to what the English government are doing, so it would serve its purpose.