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I was supportive of the policy to ban the sale of non-essential goods for the period of this lockdown, but changing tack and now leaving it up to people on minimum wage to be confronted by angry shoppers is just passing the buck.Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
They've messed up big time.
Yes, I mentioned that I could see the logic of trying to play fair with smaller, independent stores a few days ago, but they seem to have moved the goalposts somewhat and, as a result they look weak and have given people who have been waiting to have a go at the WAG for weeks or maybe months the opportunity to do so.
I don't think the WAG have moved the goalposts as such. I think the truth is they never put the goalposts properly in position to begin with. Apparently, the advice available to shop owners or managers on this subject was woolly at best and non-existent at worst, hence the subsequent mess. I think the reality is that it is something that was hastily introduced and very little logical thought was applied to it beforehand.
Meanwhile, it's just been announced that there's 37 deaths in Wales in the latest daily figures and 427 new cases in RCT alone;-
https://public.tableau.com/profile/p...eadlinesummary
The UK Government is coming under pressure to impose something akin to what we have in Wales according to today's Telegraph - taken from the BBC news site;-
"Downing Street is working privately on the assumption that the second wave of Covid-19 will be more deadly that the first, according to the Telegraph. The paper says a projection, provided by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, shows deaths peaking at a lower level than in the spring, but then remaining at this level for weeks or even months. As a result, the prime minister is coming under increasing pressure from advisers to lock down again, a source tells the paper."
Over in France, it looks like they're going into a four week lockdown similar to the one in the spring as daily deaths go beyond 500 and it's generally felt that they are a few weeks in front of us.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lockdown-covid
I still remember the two scientists in their briefing about six weeks ago saying that we could be seeing 200 deaths a day by November, but we're past that already.
All of the signs are that second wave in Europe is going to be worse than anticipated and I can't help feeling that the debates about the firebreak lockdown in Wales we've seen over the past few days on here are going to overtaken by events in the coming weeks - hopefully, the Welsh lockdown will have an effect, because I'd say figures like today's show that something definitely needed to be done.
It's a great shame, therefore, that the genuinely important elements of the firebreak have largely been overshadowed by this nonsense. It'll be interesting to see what the outcome is because, in my experience at least, people haven't changed their behaviours at all in recent days. Having said that, everybody I've spoken to has been largely observing the restrictions anyway, although this feels very different to the first lockdown.
I think that's fair to say, it doesn't seem to have been thought out that well, although i still can't understand what the fuss is about. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be pissed off, it just seems that some people have little balance on this subject, that's just my opinion.
I really can't see what the problem is. I understand that some people don't like being told what to do by the state or what choices they have, but there is a separation in being critical or constructive, emphatic etc and acting like a spoilt brat because you can't do what you like, it's quite obviously political and anti state. I just wish that some of the people who are attacking Drakeford, both personally and politically, but mostly personal, would express their real reasons over not being able to buy non essential goods.
To me, it comes across as a bit of a smoke screen. The reality seems that they'd just like to do what they want, or are sulking and looking for someone to target their frustrations at.
The government introduces an ill-conceived, pointless, petty restriction that benefits nobody and deflects attention away from what is actually important at this point in time, and yet anyone who dares to object to this nonsense is labelled a moaner, a snowflake, a spoiled brat, etc.
It's incredible.
to be fair, part of the reason you're against it is because there was a weird vibe in Lidl when you went in specifically to get your favourite sweeties
There's always a weird vibe in Lidl and I never buy sweets there.
B&M, on the other hand.....
Lidl actually has a decent range of sweets
What is important at this time?What can the WAG do to make things better than they already are, because i can't amswer that question.
I'm just a bit shocked at some of the outrage to be honest, in the scheme of things it's nothing, it may well be a mistake, and one to criticise, that's fine by me. I do think it's an underlying thing though, some people hate Drakeford, some people have just had a tit full, a petty incident turning into something much bigger by people who weren't at zero with this whole situation but who were idling at 75 before this was announced. I haven't had any conversation with anyone about this apart from on here, it doesn't seem to be an issue with most people that i've spoken to, although that's not to say that people shouldn't show their disdain if they don't agree with it.
All of the indications are that the major problem is transmission of the virus within households. Therefore, the right thing to do at this time (in my opinion) would have been to attempt to hammer home the message that people shouldn't visit friends or relatives at all during this particular period unless it is absolutely essential to do so. Instead, the WAG have wasted their time and efforts drawing up convoluted lists of what people can and can't buy in supermarkets.
You're right that people have enough of this crap, though. After all, it's been seven months now and all the indications are that there will be more restrictions on the way in due course. In my experience, many people are utterly exhausted by it and are less concerned or careful than they were previously. The majority are still being responsible to a large degree, but attitudes now seem to be absolutely nothing like they were in March, April and May.
It's giving them a bigger excuse to kick off now (in my opinion) as it's not the Welsh Govt. denying them the right to buy a new toaster... it's Sharon's (who only works a zero hour contract and could do without putting up with more shit from the general public than she already has to).
Im working from home and apart from exercising Ive hardly been out.
My wife works for a bank and she reckons its much quieter and quieter than the first.
I did go to the Supermarket on Sunday. Didnt really notice much difference.
It's not even remotely similar to the first lockdown. I work in the centre of Cardiff and could walk from one end of Queen Street to the other seeing only a handful of people at the end of March and during most of April. There were only two of us working in the office at that time and I was often the only person on the bus home, while the roads were extremely quiet.
Today, nine of us have been in and out of the office at various points in time. The roads are about as busy as they have been for the last few months. On Monday there were around fifteen or sixteen of us on the bus home. Yesterday there were nine of us. There were plenty of people wandering around on Queen Street yesterday afternoon despite most of the shops being shut. Places like KFC and Burger King were shut first time around, but they're open now.
I agree that the message should have been for households not to mix ok outside of the rules, I know some people who have taken some serious liberties. The novelty has worn off a bit now for some.
The people who are manufacturing a crisis over not being able to buy a vase for 2 weeks are probably the same ones who stockpiled loo rolls and pasta in March. Meanwhile in other news, cases are beyond that of the Spring.
Alternatively it could be that they couldn't understand why a pointless bit of nonsense was announced in the first place!!
Maybe if the message had been please shop for essential products only for two weeks and where possible only one person to do the shopping
That way we can keep the social distancing required and have a better chance of slowing the infection rate down!
More people would have understood it
Yeah, probably, the moaning snowflakes. What would these people have been like during the war, eh? You wouldn't have wanted these idiots alongside you in the trenches, would you? We'd never have beaten Germans. Where's the Dunkirk spirit when we need it?
By the way, it's not vases, it's tea lights.
I bet you have tea lights when you have a bath......Ambience......Yeah, probably, the moaning snowflakes. What would these people have been like during the war, eh? You wouldn't have wanted these idiots alongside you in the trenches, would you? We'd never have beaten Germans. Where's the Dunkirk spirit when we need it?
By the way, it's not vases, it's tea lights.
No, he has little gems and wine gums
It's 'Midget' Gems, or are you getting all 'PC'
Known cases are higher than the Spring, but there's a lot more testing now of course.
Hospital admissions is starting to increase rapidly though, which is the worrying one because that is what's usually followed by an increase in deaths.
There’s a lot more info out about it all now too, like it’s survivable for 99.6% of the population, it makes you wonder what it’s all about and people become apathetic. We even get 83 year old women talking on national news telling us we need to to just get on with it......
Household mixing was linked to something like 80% of recent cases, gettting worse in parts of RCT now despite the lockdown.
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