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    Labour broke equalities law over anti-Semitism

    Party "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Party "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425
    Well, that was pretty damning.

    Can Corbyn keep his position within the party after this? If he stays on it will be an albatross around the neck of Labour, surely.

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    Corbyn's been suspended

    I'm sure Welsh Labour are delighted with the news of a Labour civil war in the run up to next May's Senedd election

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

    Corbyn has been suspended and has had his whip removed (apparently).

    Edit:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eport-comments

    he has definitely had his whip removed.

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    I have just finished reading the report.

    There are plenty of well evidenced points and recommendations about process failures and lack of both independence and training for the unit leading on investigations. Also a powerful set of comparisons between clear policies and the management of sexism complaints and those of anti-semitism (although generally ethnicity and religion are well referenced in policies, procedures and website links). In a few sections the report identifies mistreatment of respondents as well as complainants, and notes allegations that the party machine in the early days of Corbyn's leadership was slow timing and manipulating outcomes through private social media groups.

    There are examples given of clearly anti-semitic views expressed - mainly on social media: hatred of Jewish people, anti semitic tropes; and suggesting that Jewish people are responsible for the actions of the Israeli state.

    There is also a consistent conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-Jewish prejudice, a failure to recognise satire, a failure to acknowledge that Zionism is a political ideology, a total refusal to allow anyone to identify an 'Israel Lobby' that acts with and on behalf of the Israeli state (to imply that is anti semitic!), and refusal to see complaints of a witch hunt or anti-Corbyn agenda through false anti semitism complaints (despite all the evidence for this) as anything other than more anti semitism.

    Now Corbyn has been suspended and Starmer has decided that the Jewish Labour Movement (proudly Zionist and a protagonist in the recent civil war) will take the lead on internal training for party members and bodies.

    I'm not surprised by any of this - but I am depressed. What is clear though is that there are a raft of recommendations in the report that virtually everyone in Labour should be able to support, and that if they are implemented will make things better. There are also a few recommendations for which the opposite is true.

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    Sir Kier is a brave man suspending a former leader of the Labour Party , few more buried inside the party sadly .

    Even after this morniing published report Corbyn couldn't just say sorry, just launched into blame culture , not really leadership standards.

    To think the (EHRC) admirably created by Labour in 2010 deliveres a damming verdict on its own behaviour , they even find his own office culpable in interference, sadly Corbyn and his like hung around far too long and helped deliver a Boris victory.

    Let's hope Sir Kier steers the party to a better future , Labour is better than this .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Sir Kier is a brave man suspending a former leader of the Labour Party , few more buried inside the party sadly .

    Even after this morniing published report Corbyn couldn't just say sorry, just launched into blame culture , not really leadership standards.

    To think the (EHRC) admirably created by Labour in 2010 deliveres a damming verdict on its own behaviour , they even find his own office culpable in interference, sadly Corbyn and his like hung around far too long and helped deliver a Boris victory.

    Let's hope Sir Kier steers the party to a better future , Labour is better than this .
    My guess is that this will play well with "middle ground" voters, but Labour can expect a few more years of the introspective civil wars that it has specialised in for most of my life. I seem to have been saying this for the last five years and under three different Prime Ministers, but we have the worst Government I've seen led by the worst Prime Minister I've seen and we're in real need of a competent and united opposition, but I can't help thinking that there are many in the Labour Party who don't see Johnson and co as the real enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    My guess is that this will play well with "middle ground" voters, but Labour can expect a few more years of the introspective civil wars that it has specialised in for most of my life. I seem to have been saying this for the last five years and under three different Prime Ministers, but we have the worst Government I've seen led by the worst Prime Minister I've seen and we're in real need of a competent and united opposition, but I can't help thinking that there are many in the Labour Party who don't see Johnson and co as the real enemy.

    Boris worse than Thatcher?

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    Re: Labour broke equalities law over anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    My guess is that this will play well with "middle ground" voters, but Labour can expect a few more years of the introspective civil wars that it has specialised in for most of my life. I seem to have been saying this for the last five years and under three different Prime Ministers, but we have the worst Government I've seen led by the worst Prime Minister I've seen and we're in real need of a competent and united opposition, but I can't help thinking that there are many in the Labour Party who don't see Johnson and co as the real enemy.
    I agree with most of that.

    The factionalism exists on both (all?) sides, and whilst it sounds right that all parts of the Labour Party should bury their differences and unite to fight the Tories, it's not so easy if you don't trust or agree with many on your own side. Especially if you have been subjected to constant online abuse, been briefed against in the media, and subjected to internal administrative/disciplinary processes that you think are unfair and designed to exclude or silence you.

    I'm not sure what's really going on in the Labour Party - I rejoined in November and have been to a few events before everything shut down and now rely on mailings and remote contact. I get most of my information (if that is the right word - maybe opinion is better) about the national party from the media. Starmer has disappointed many of his supporters and alienated most of the left, and it feels to me that the civil war will carry on for years - maybe alongside periods of ceasefire and distrustful co-existence. But as you say he may have scored with 'middle ground' voters and won plaudits from the national broadcast and print media - so will probably be happy.

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    Re: Labour broke equalities law over anti-Semitism

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Sir Kier is a brave man suspending a former leader of the Labour Party , few more buried inside the party sadly .

    Even after this morniing published report Corbyn couldn't just say sorry, just launched into blame culture , not really leadership standards.

    To think the (EHRC) admirably created by Labour in 2010 deliveres a damming verdict on its own behaviour , they even find his own office culpable in interference, sadly Corbyn and his like hung around far too long and helped deliver a Boris victory.

    Let's hope Sir Kier steers the party to a better future , Labour is better than this .
    I tend to agree with you but for probably different reasons. I thought and think it astounding that the upper echelons of the Labour Party allowed a tag of racism/anti-semitism to stick and, judging by today's report, take political steps to ensure that it wasn't shaken off.

    Regardless of the rights and wrongs this is inept politics. I am not sure how many votes walking on the highwire of being anti-zionist won but it definitely was not as many as being portrayed as anti-semetic lost. How many previous Labour voters could give a shit but saw this as introspective indulgence is anyone's guess.

    Whether Jeremy was wronged after his statement it takes him back into his comfort zone as rebel and martyr regardless of political cost which I am sure play out in the coming weeks and months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I agree with most of that.

    The factionalism exists on both (all?) sides, and whilst it sounds right that all parts of the Labour Party should bury their differences and unite to fight the Tories, it's not so easy if you don't trust or agree with many on your own side. Especially if you have been subjected to constant online abuse, been briefed against in the media, and subjected to internal administrative/disciplinary processes that you think are unfair and designed to exclude or silence you.

    I'm not sure what's really going on in the Labour Party - I rejoined in November and have been to a few events before everything shut down and now rely on mailings and remote contact. I get most of my information (if that is the right word - maybe opinion is better) about the national party from the media. Starmer has disappointed many of his supporters and alienated most of the left, and it feels to me that the civil war will carry on for years - maybe alongside periods of ceasefire and distrustful co-existence. But as you say he may have scored with 'middle ground' voters and won plaudits from the national broadcast and print media - so will probably be happy.
    Well that's answered the question I posed in my separate thread then!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Boris worse than Thatcher?
    Much, much worse - I couldn't stand her, but she had a lot of the qualities a Prime Minister needs, for a start she didn't have the thin skin so many of today's "strongman" leaders possess.

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    I think the actual suspension may have come from the mechanism of the Labour Party procedures not solely from Sir Kier, and potentially could have been avoided if JC hadn't bought the party into dispute this morning by minimising the issue and report, which may have
    breached party policy and goes against the leadership stance and standards of the (EHRC) report . Labour has to enforce the action plan by December 10th.

    Perhaps the bigger issue is further down the road if they readmit Jeremy to the party and will others follow ?

    Added to this Mcdonald is making noises that the suspension is unfair.

    Labours big donor and Jeremy's backer Len of Unite, will not keep quiet.

    I should imagine there is a defence group being built as we speak .

    Sad for Sir Kier as he's done well, thin rocky times are ahead as a left v centre left battle returns , hasn't that been the battle though over many decades which has adversely effected Labour and allowed the Tories a safe ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I think the actual suspension may have come from the mechanism of the Labour Party procedures not solely from Sir Kier, and potentially could have been avoided if JC hadn't bought the party into dispute this morning by minimising the issue and report, which may have
    breached party policy and goes against the leadership stance and standards of the (EHRC) report . Labour has to enforce the action plan by December 10th.

    Perhaps the bigger issue is further down the road if they readmit Jeremy to the party and will others follow ?

    Added to this Mcdonald is making noises that the suspension is unfair.

    Labours big donor and Jeremy's backer Len of Unite, will not keep quiet.

    I should imagine there is a defence group being built as we speak .

    Sad for Sir Kier as he's done well, thin rocky times are ahead as a left v centre left battle returns , hasn't that been the battle though over many decades which has adversely effected Labour and allowed the Tories a safe ride.
    You think a mechanism suspended him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    You think a mechanism suspended him?
    Internal mechanism or procedures that sit in the Labour party you know what I mean , mechanism can be used to describe "" a process or system that is used to produce a particular result. : a way of acting, thinking, or behaving that helps or protects a person in a specified way.""

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Internal mechanism or procedures that sit in the Labour party you know what I mean , mechanism can be used to describe "" a process or system that is used to produce a particular result. : a way of acting, thinking, or behaving that helps or protects a person in a specified way.""
    Do you think the mechanism was just there and some Artificial Intelligence waiting for reports triggered it into life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I tend to agree with you but for probably different reasons. I thought and think it astounding that the upper echelons of the Labour Party allowed a tag of racism/anti-semitism to stick and, judging by today's report, take political steps to ensure that it wasn't shaken off.

    Regardless of the rights and wrongs this is inept politics. I am not sure how many votes walking on the highwire of being anti-zionist won but it definitely was not as many as being portrayed as anti-semetic lost. How many previous Labour voters could give a shit but saw this as introspective indulgence is anyone's guess.

    Whether Jeremy was wronged after his statement it takes him back into his comfort zone as rebel and martyr regardless of political cost which I am sure play out in the coming weeks and months.
    The report is pretty thin on detail of unlawful behaviour but this will be a case study in politics 101 at uni for years to come - how to completely **** up managing a political scandal, incompetence doesn't really cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I think the actual suspension may have come from the mechanism of the Labour Party procedures not solely from Sir Kier, and potentially could have been avoided if JC hadn't bought the party into dispute this morning by minimising the issue and report, which may have
    breached party policy and goes against the leadership stance and standards of the (EHRC) report . Labour has to enforce the action plan by December 10th.

    Perhaps the bigger issue is further down the road if they readmit Jeremy to the party and will others follow ?

    Added to this Mcdonald is making noises that the suspension is unfair.

    Labours big donor and Jeremy's backer Len of Unite, will not keep quiet.

    I should imagine there is a defence group being built as we speak .

    Sad for Sir Kier as he's done well, thin rocky times are ahead as a left v centre left battle returns , hasn't that been the battle though over many decades which has adversely effected Labour and allowed the Tories a safe ride.
    Especially sad for him since by next election you will on here calling him a marxist and saying how Labour needs a proper old school socialist in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Especially sad for him since by next election you will on here calling him a marxist and saying how Labour needs a proper old school socialist in charge.
    Indeed.

    You see all you need to see about LoM's commitment to Anti-Semitism by responding to the following quiz.

    When LoM realised that 11 innocent people praying at a Synagogue in Pittsburgh were massacred by a right wing extremist did he say:

    a) This is the consequence of the anti-semetic tropes of political parties that should know better or
    b) It's been going on since Billy the kid

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    Well it can't be because of tropes of political parties since it predates them by about 2000 years.

    You're right - he makes a powerful point, but of course he understates it because it was going on long before Billy the Kid.

    I also think he's a bit optimistic about the level of education here in assuming that everyone would know the connection between Wiiliam Bonnie and anti semitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Well it can't be because of tropes of political parties since it predates them by about 2000 years.

    You're right - he makes a powerful point, but of course he understates it because it was going on long before Billy the Kid.

    I also think he's a bit optimistic about the level of education here in assuming that everyone would know the connection between Wiiliam Bonnie and anti semitism.
    Pseudo-intellectual claptrap is as good a mask for LoM's hypocrisy on anti-semitism as any I suppose.

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    Which presumably means that you didn't understand his reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonnieBird View Post
    Which presumably means that you didn't understand his reference.
    I rarely do to be honest. In this instance LoM, who like you cant resist showing his anti-semetic credentials (though he does blanche at Israeli Air Force Fly-Past videos) responded to a massacre at a Jewish synagogue in Pittsburgh.

    Rather than show his horror and point out yet another crime perpetrated against the Jewish people he instead simply said it's been going on since Billy the Kid and left it at that.

    https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...-America-again

    It seems you want to imbue some deep meaning into these seemingly callous and uncaring remarks. If so fire away we could do with a laugh in these tough times.

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    And still the denial goes on and on folk simply can't see that Labour won't be electable whilst making light of obvious racism within its ranks of supporters as it thunders on in denial .

    You can always tell when folk struggle to accept they or their party were wrong , they become childish,and personal , very much in the way of the antisemitism that exists in parts of the party they support , it explains a lot really , as they line up to defend Corbyn and his group ,they cannot accept responsibility orfindvtge decency to apologise for the hurt that this has created not just to the Jewish community but to the Labour party and the decent lost Labour voters.

    I do find it amusing they are now at odds with their new leader over this issue, real classy stuff ,who will they vote for if they don't agree with Sir Kier and feel Corbyn is a victim of the media and other evil forces, will they remain in denial !!!, will they force another Boris victory upon us by the act of this denial and narrow mindsets within its supporters ( always in denial, always in opposition )

    Who will they vote for when Sir Keir centralises the party ,rips the left apart in readiness for a real Labour party that will appeal to all parts of the nation , not just
    a one eyed dated Maxist projects whipped up by the elite wealthy London lefties , like Milne with its in house nastiness and chosen racism .

    Sir Kier should plan for power by :

    Banning Momentum
    Clean up Labour Youth Party bullying
    Never let Corbyn back
    Ban on mass his backers like : Chris Williamson, Livingstone, Fisher, Murphy , McCluskey. Milne and thier current 'Zoom ' War Council .

    Finally refuse Unites unhealthy controlling bounty and your voters will return in swaves , and yes I'm one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And still the denial goes on and on folk simply can't see that Labour won't be electable whilst making light of obvious racism within its ranks of supporters as it thunders on in denial .

    You can always tell when folk struggle to accept they or their party were wrong , they become childish,and personal , very much in the way of the antisemitism that exists in parts of the party they support , it explains a lot really , as they line up to defend Corbyn and his group ,they cannot accept responsibility orfindvtge decency to apologise for the hurt that this has created not just to the Jewish community but to the Labour party and the decent lost Labour voters.

    I do find it amusing they are now at odds with their new leader over this issue, real classy stuff ,who will they vote for if they don't agree with Sir Kier and feel Corbyn is a victim of the media and other evil forces, will they remain in denial !!!, will they force another Boris victory upon us by the act of this denial and narrow mindsets within its supporters ( always in denial, always in opposition )

    Who will they vote for when Sir Keir centralises the party ,rips the left apart in readiness for a real Labour party that will appeal to all parts of the nation , not just
    a one eyed dated Maxist projects whipped up by the elite wealthy London lefties , like Milne with its in house nastiness and chosen racism .

    Sir Kier should plan for power by :

    Banning Momentum
    Clean up Labour Youth Party bullying
    Never let Corbyn back
    Ban on mass his backers like : Chris Williamson, Livingstone, Fisher, Murphy , McCluskey. Milne and thier current 'Zoom ' War Council .

    Finally refuse Unites unhealthy controlling bounty and your voters will return in swaves , and yes I'm one of them.
    Aw bless, nice to get that off your chest. Not sure what folk you are talking about but please start with me in your lining up to defend Corbyn rant with any evidence you wish to bring to the party.

    I am deeply impressed how your concern for the Jewish people and their suffering seems so at odds with your views about naturally born British people being overwhelmed in their own cities, badging the whole Chinese race as being responsible for the acts of the Chinese government and your indifference to the plight of impressionable teenage girls being manipulated by powerful men.

    And while you are at it tell me what you meant by the Billy the Kid quote as Ronnie thinks you are on the money!

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