labour aren't picking up the deserting Tory voters though, they are going from Tory to "don't know", which suggests that many of them will return once Boris has been removedOriginally Posted by jon1959
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labour aren't picking up the deserting Tory voters though, they are going from Tory to "don't know", which suggests that many of them will return once Boris has been removed
Labour are up to 42 per cent in the latest poll, so they’re picking up votes from somewhere.
That was true up until early December - when Labour were getting narrow leads in most polls. Since then the pollsters have seen clear evidence of Tory to Labour switches - both ex Red Wall voters and also some more traditional southern Tory voters (along with switches to the Lib Dems).
I'm no fan of Starmer and have parted company with the Labour Party (although it is very difficult to resign - they still record me as a member 3-4 months after I quit) but I do think a tipping point has been passed. The odds are heavily against Johnson surviving as Tory leader and Prime Minister for the rest of this year.
I can't see Labour beating the Tories given recent history, but I can see the Tories beating the Tories and Labour coming through by default.
A new Tory leader will produce a 'new manager bounce' but none of the potential candidates have the ability or experience or charisma needed, and some are totally toxic even to die hard Tory members. Johnson expelled most of the real talent over Brexit.
Mind you Starmer managed to push out a third of Labour's members in less than 2 years - including the youngest and most active ones - so some of the most effective opposition is online, in single issue campaigns and in other non-traditional places.
The looming cost of living crisis, tax hikes and a general feeling of gloom might shift those figures a bit. Also, Johnson or not, there's still bags of time for the Tories to pull a few dodgy tricks out of the hat. Furthermore, they're no longer surfing on a Brexit wave. Plenty of scope for change and to make Monkfish happy!
If Labour are canny they'll start thinking about planning tactical voting campaigns with the Lib Dems and Greens well before an election comes into sight. It's probably the essential step to ensure the Tories are ousted. Once that hurdle has been overcome it will allow Labour longer term planning to make itself more distinctive. However, I think the far sighted plan would be to encourage the adoption of proportional representation.
80% of Constituency Labour Parties backed the PR resolution at the September 2021 Labour Conference.
It was defeated.
The majority of affiliates (mainly trades unions - but others too) voted against.
There was no support from the party leadership, despite Starmer's pledge during the leadership election campaign. Another of his broken promises!
https://labourlist.org/2021/09/confe...epresentation/
Most recent YouGov polling shows 42% public support for PR (up to 62% among Labour voters). That is without any recent noticeable national campaign to make the case.
Yes it seems there's an awful long way to go. Maybe we should have Dominic Cummings driving a big red bus to sell the campaign to the public. 😁
The deep and long lasting cost of living crisis might though. And I'm sure you'd agree there's still plenty more time for many more Tory f**k ups!
No doubt. There's not much in the way of common sense and genuine political conviction in the Labour party. However there's even less amongst the Tories. To say I have little faith in them would be putting it extremely mildly !
The latest YouGov poll was done well before today's 'defeated' pool interview with Beth Rigby for Sky and all the other broadcasters. The verdict from across the press and much of the politicals and commentators of all colours was 'end game'!
64% of Britons now think Johnson should stand down, up from 48% in November
Should remain: 20% (-11)
Should stand down: 64% (+16)
I think he could still wriggle out of this - but the wriggle room is shrinking very fast!
Boris “nobody told me Johnson” is not the problem. The people who put him in power knew he was catastrophically ill-equipped for any kind of responsibility never mind run a country.
They'll still all be there next week. We need a general election now.
This may have been posted elsewhere but this is very funny and brutal https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status...944671746?s=21
Funny, but I also found it moving - these are hard times to maintain a faith in the belief that people are fundamentally decent, but they are, we’re not all like those some of us have put into power.
Edit - duplicate 'Led By Donkey' clip!
This monologue by James O’Brien is worth a listen too https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1483400025581531136?s=21
Very incisive; a masterful delivery.
Liar, liar, liar, pants on fire!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60245483
Lie after lie. Then you get the people who parrot these lies on social media (like the one about how without Brexit the vaccine rollout would have been delayed) without doing their own research.
Liar, liar, liar, pants on fire!
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1489343711452573698
Lied about Starmer regarding Savile.
Lied about crime statistics.
Lied about employment figures.
"I believed, the party I obviously didn't attend was a work meeting, the bottle of chateauneuf du pape I was carrying was a birthday present given to me by an adoring staff member. Honest. Would I lie to you? I'm the Prime Minister for ****s sake!"
The very serious problem is that if these lies are shouted loudly enough and often enough
they become deeply etched in people's memory. Try shifting them then: it becomes virtually impossible.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...hnson-26144515
Dead man walking
So he's been caught out by a photo taken by an official photographer who was also at the shindig?
Fuucking howling, you wouldn't do an armed robbery with these dull fuuckers would you.
If that report is correct, the Chancellor, who is already acting as if the election for a successor to Johnson has begun, broke the law of the time as well.
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